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Will The Central Government Ever Stop Pushing Hindi On Tamil Nadu ?

Discussion in 'Tamil Nadu' started by Minion, Oct 18, 2020.

  1. Agathinai

    Agathinai Gold IL'ite

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    Yes, I agree.

    Yes, I agree on this as well.

    But I am entirely not sure about the funding and whether it actually reaches the intended purposes. In India budgeting and allocation of funds are on papers only and all the humdrum settles after a while. No one goes around and checks whether the funds actually benefited the programs and that it was successful. Often in the names of such funding they just goes into the politicians pockets.
    My answer was basically that Sanskrit does need help. A fraction or whichever amount is essential. I don’t follow the budgets but from the extensively corrupted governments I don’t think the money reaches any intended projects there.

    Same goes for the government schools funding. It is in a pathetic state with lack of infrastructure, teachers and in these circumstances they want to change too much. The teachers not only are short but they face multiple challenges. If indeed all the allocated funds reach their intended destinations - we wouldn’t be hearing about the corruptions at all. I don’t want to go into that. But the fact is we cannot just go by what the government says. We need to find the ground reality and that will tell the funds have already drained before they even hit the required destination/targets.

    I read this and all these and much more are the current status of public schools in India.
    https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/www...e-than-150-lakh-primary-school-teachers-46354
     
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  2. Agathinai

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    Yes, that’s all possible for basic learning purposes or even more than that. But that’s handy for all who cannot have access. It would help many nowadays. But that doesn’t replace for children whose families are wishing to get their kids into the studying of Vedas and other things related to Hinduism. I was saying that Sanskrit should be accessible till they become proficient for those whose jobs are related to spreading of the religious activities. It should never be left out.
     
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  3. Agathinai

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    If indeed what the government had been saying or been allocating all the budget money to this language and it eventually happens-we are actually living a dream. I don’t believe in such dreams and I don’t believe what the government is saying is so truthful. Take everything with a pinch of salt what they say in budgets. I never said to ignore local languages either.

    I never meant that other languages should suffer and I for one don’t believe in any language imposition which includes Hindi. All I want to say is don’t ever go by what is said but go by what is the ground reality.

    We need to focus on what the bigger issues are and focus the fight. If we need more budgeting for our language then we can argue that. But that doesn’t mean that Sanskrit should be laid on par with local languages, as there will lesser financial remuneration for kids to pursue different pathways. Otherwise everyone will just follow the mainstream way of studying and that has already destroyed that language. Let us atleast give some support for a language which is closely related to our culture even if I am not able to read, write or understand it. It in no way is going to mean that I will forget my mother tongue.

    It’s like a mother - who will shower more love and her attention towards one kid who needs more attention than the other. It doesn’t mean she doesn’t love her other kids. It just means that there will be more attention for the kid who needs more help. This is my personal experience. I focused attention on one kid and my other kid doesn’t realise that I am trying to improve some aspects. I love my kids same way without bias but sometimes it’s difficult for them to understand when time is spent differently.

    Same goes for languages; all languages have survived basically because we are using it on day to day basis. Hindi imposition will be more harmful to those languages and Sanskrit shouldn’t be clubbed into that. Sanskrit needs our help. No other country is going to come to help Sanskrit if we Indians forget it in our home country.

    So I will rest my case here regarding Sanskrit.
    The Sad State Of Sanskrit Scholarship In India
     
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  4. SuiDhaaga

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    I think Tamil is a beautiful language. Rest of India should be encouraged to learn it.

    If Punjabis can go out to eat Dosas, Idli, Sambar, certainly they can appreciate and speak Tamil.

    My two cents.
     
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    :hello:I happen to sit with a CEO - a Santhanam sporting on forehead the bright Iyengar emblem. A sardarji entered the chamber in his hands holding a beautiful bouquet . Advancing bouquet into the hands of S, in good Tamil he said, “ pongal vizha vazhthukkal “ (happy golden jubilee).

    I was perplexed. ceo stood up, as the sardarji was leaving. He saw him to the lift and returned. He could read surprise in my eyes. He explained that was his son in law and that her daughter and son in law met in Harvard and married. For love language, culture are not barriers. Yes love is blind.
    Thanks and Regards.
     
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    Each language is beautiful in its own way. According to me there is no one language above the other...
    Obviously everyone has their first preference to mother tongue.

    If people are interested to learn any language they should be just willing to learn themselves instead of forcing them to learn a particular language..

    And obviously if you goto a state which has different language then atleast it’s good to learn or atleast attempt to speak instead of just conversing in your own language.

    Bangalore is especially flexible with languages compared to other cities and states. Almost every Bangalorean knows minimum 5 languages.

    So if it’s some Hindi guy definitely the local guy replies in Hindi.. That’s when those people show no interest to learn the local language.

    Now things are changing in Bangalore too because of all the Kannada sanghas.
     
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    Agathinai

    If indeed what the government had been saying or been allocating all the budget money to this language and it eventually happens-we are actually living a dream. I don’t believe in such dreams and I don’t believe what the government is saying is so truthful. Take everything with a pinch of salt what they say inbudgets. I never said to ignore local languages either

    Let’s not use that as an excuse to diminish the reality, let’s stick to the number at the face value and continue with the discussion.
     
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    The Vedas etc are extra curricular religious activities. That’s not the school’s job. It’s the parents job to instill religion in kids.
    Sanskrit is available as a third language choice and is enough. If furthering Sanskrit is needed, it should be done privately.

    If we start conversations about Vedas then India is a democracy and other religious texts and their languages will also come into play.
    Again, just my opinion. Let’s maintain focus of the thread and take these numbers as the CG’s commitment to the languages in play.
     
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    Maybe because more people moved there early on. Chennai has begun seeing a huge influx of people, like BLR did, probably only 20/25 or so years ago. It’s a bustling metro and population growth each time is amazing to see.

    Btw, regardless of what we spoke at home, Kannada was compulsory in school as a second language in elementary and at least as a third language from 7th onwards. So everyone knows to read/write and have conversations in Kannada.

    Those second gens who start school there though get exposure to Kannada. From what people on this thread are saying Tamil is not mandatory in schools. No language is mandatory and people choose their second language. They don’t have a third language option. That’s a very different situation. Tamil should be compulsory in schools at least until the HS level where people can choose other languages. That’s how kids learn the language.

    Those guys were always around even when we were in school/college. They raise a huge ruckus and work something out with the existing govt and then don’t show up until the next govt takes over.
     
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    Guru Nanak, and latter day Gobind Singh may have eaten in local dabhas.
    I see this in wikipedia:
    The 12th-century Manasollasa describes foods that continue to be part of modern Indian tradition. Below from left in Sanskrit: Dosaka (Dosa), Iddarika and Vataka (Idli and vada), Parika (bonda) and Kshiravata (Dahi vada).[4][5]
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    I am sure there were translations in Gurmukhi script of those sanskrit recipes.
    My gujarathi friends say "Idaali" to refer to a breakfast food at home. I am sure it is a corruption of the original sanskrit "Idaarika". Some gujarathi's are even surprised to learn that the Udupi people in Karnataka claim that to be a Kannada-food.

    Dosa and Idly are migrant foods, that got naturalized.
     
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