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Discussion in 'Friends & Neighbours' started by nayidulhan, Mar 29, 2023.

  1. nayidulhan

    nayidulhan Silver IL'ite

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    Dear Friends, I am sharing 3 unrelated situations here. If you were asked to understand these situations and the people therein, what would you say?


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    A couple is married for several years now. It was an arranged marriage. The wife says that she had revealed everything about her- her habits, hobbies and other things that matter to her. She had even told her (then) fiancé that her skin goes dry and flaky during winters and so she ends up spending huge $$ on skin care. The husband had said he had nothing much to share but that he had fallen in love with her on the first date. During the wedding ceremony (which happened soon after), she realized that her husband's brother has a genetic defect- nothing serious or life threatening but considerable enough to hinder day to day activities. This wasn't mentioned to her before. Her firstborn inherited that defect and they had to undergo a huge expense- financially as well as mentally. The child recovered totally (and miraculously) after little less than a decade of treatment. Over the years, her husband has had recurring ear and dental situations that include emergency surgeries as well. He has had these issues since childhood. And her FIL has always been on medication for chronic depression. She keeps wondering why her husband who is otherwise a perfect 10 on 10 did not share this info with her. When she asked him, he replied that these are things that can be managed and that there could be some other things that may appear later in life as well. So why make a commotion about it all?

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    A young pretty intelligent doctor (F) is pursuing her grad studies in surgery. She was always a focused, mature and level headed girl. She lost her father when she was in school and she and her two brothers were raised by their mother (X) and grandmother. They are all honest, hard working humane people who believe in respect and commitment in relationships. The kids have been raised with these values.

    During the pandemic F was working at the hospital continuously. Her team lead was a young smart doctor (Z) and this team of 5 young doctors was constantly together. Last week, X received a call from a desperate sounding young lady who announced that she is Z's wife and that Z was having an illicit affair with F. She said that her repeated requests to both F and Z to think rationally about the situation have fallen on deaf ears. She was desperate when she called because her parents as well as parents in law had called her up to tell her that Z had called them to inform that he is thinking of divorce and marriage with F. She was shattered because she and Z were madly in love with each other and had married soon after their undergrad. Within 3-4 years their marriage was falling apart.

    X had absolutely no idea about all this and when she confronted F, F admitted to it all. F said that she doesn't want to be a home breaker but she is deeply in love with Z and cannot stay without him. F says she knows what she is doing is morally wrong but she cannot retrace her steps now. Z, wife and F were team members and all 3 were aware of their individual marital status all the time. Co-incidentally, F and Z's wife have similar family and educational backgrounds. X does not know what to do with the situation and how to help her daughter out of it. She has tried to counsel her daughter but there doesn't seem any change.

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    A qualified good looking employed girl in her late twenties is looking for matrimonial alliance. She comes from a respectable family and is eligible in every which way one may think. However, match making is not working out for her and the reason that invariably is shared although discreetly is that she was romantically involved with a classmate long ago, for a long time. Their alliance could not go through because of the difference in their religious backgrounds. That classmate is working abroad now and is engaged to be married. The girl regrets her immaturity as a teenager but does not know how to overcome this.
     
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  2. peet1983

    peet1983 Silver IL'ite

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    1. No one is wrong in that story.
    2. The so called Intelligent "doctor" and her "doctor" is wrong.
    3.Nothing wrong in this story.. only she has to understand mariagge is not the purpose of every women.

    All the best
     
  3. Rihana

    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    The couple did not go for pre-marital medical examinations which have been quite common for 10-15 years now. The woman or her family did not explicitly ask for the man's or his family's medical history. The man did not voluntarily share the medical stuff with her before marriage. Was that wrong on his part? No.

    Years into the marriage he says, "these can be managed... other things could appear later... why make a commotion" That is not wise. Neither is it wise of the woman to make a commotion. A good therapist can help them communicate about this. For starters, the man could acknowledge his wife's feelings without agreeing with them. She could learn to accept his answer at face value - he genuinely did not think the medical stuff needed to be shared. There are ways for her to express her disappointment with what happened without the man having to also explain his behavior or apologize for it. If they love and respect each other, her disappointment will be enough censure for his act.

    The best thing going forward would be for the man to acknowledge her hurt and for her to stop bringing it up and going on and on about it.

    Every marriage has a few thorn-like questions that one party thinks are significant and the other thinks what's the big deal. In their marriage it is her question "why did you not share the info with me" and his response of "why make a commotion". Good and timely professional help will aid the couple in seeing more of the roses than the thorns and blunting the poke from the thorns.

    A more common thorn-like question is the woman asks the man, "But how could you not stand up for me even when I was pregnant and your mother ....." : )

    Note to self: No, there is absolutely no need to share your thorns here. You've already typed enough. : ) : ) : )
     
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    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Why wasn't a letter of the alphabet assigned to the current Mrs. Z?

    There are many labels and associated expectations in the description: focused, mature, level headed, honest, hard working, humane, respect and commitment in relationships, values, illicit, affair, think rationally, home breaker. I waded through those to get to the gist.

    Z and F realize they have strong feelings for each other. Z is married. The ideal would be that Z goes through the separation and divorce in a way that respects what Z and his wife once had together. Ideally, Z would share the news with his wife before the whole world finds out. They privately manage the dissolution of their marriage with support from friends and family. As F, Z and Mrs. Z have worked together, it would be nice of F and Z to take things cool and be discrete until Z marriage officially ends.

    X's job is to be there for her pretty young intelligent doctor daughter F as needed. F is not a 16 year old who needs to be stopped from running away with the apartment security guard who promised to introduce her to a directory in Bollywood.

    Above all, someone needs to tell the doctor Mrs. Z, "Have some pride."

    One assumes there is no bachcha-party involved, meaning the Z's have no kid.
     
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    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    "Respectable family" means? Girls from such families do not fall in love in their teen years?

    A family is as respectable as they are successful in hiding their "unrespectable acts" from the "log" of log kya kahenge fame.

    The girl should stop this silly self-flagellation about her immaturity as a teenager. Immature is what teenagers are supposed to be. If she is educated, employed and independent, in her late twenties, she should realize that the matrimonial alliance system she has tried so far is not working. She has to cast a wider net. She should seriously consider and identify what are her preferences in a life partner, not those of her family. There are many young men in the 25-35 age group who would think nothing of her long ago romance.
     
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    Viswamitra Finest Post Winner

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    1) If there is a specific request about health issues and it is intentionally not revealed, then, it is outright wrong. However, if information is shared voluntarily expecting other to do so, may be an expectation than anything else. If a sibling has a genetic defect, it doesn't necessarily mean the children will have genetic defect. Moreover, even if one comes to know about it earlier (before marriage), what one could have done to overcome that? Especially, infertility issues come up only after a marriage and our culture has not advanced as yet to have children before marriage. If a man or woman is facing infertility found out after the marriage, does one blame the other for not revealing that before marriage? I am glad the child's problem is resolved well even if it involves medical intervention and some expenses. Every child has some problem or the other during childhood and it is hard to chronicle everyone of them unless one is suffering everyday of life.

    2) If Dr. Z has conveyed his intention to separate from Mrs. Z earlier before Dr. Z and Dr. F are romantically involved, the situation is different than the romantic involvement resulting in Dr. Z conveying his intention to divorce. This is not clear in the question. It is the duty of Dr. F to ensure that the marriage is dissolved before mentally engaging with Dr. Z. Arguing that it is impossible to leave Dr. Z knowing well that he was married and not divorced is not an action that is acceptable.

    3) There is no point in brooding after the fact. She needs to learn to forgive herself instead of regreting that for life. She needs to move on and expand her search outside her narrow territory. She will find someone who will be happy to marry her if she is positive. I am glad she is open about her earlier romantic involvement. Even people reject her for that, someone will definitely like her straightforward approach.
     
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    This is completely my opinion..

    1) Husband at fault

    2)F and Z.

    3) The story seems incomplete and no fault as of now.She is being Human by missing someone she loved that’s all.
     
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    1) It is awkwardly in present day arranged marriages to talk about delicate details directly. In the good old days the CIA/KGB-worthy network of grandmothers and other elders would have ferreted out all pertinent details before any match was arranged.
    Ear and dental issues are things someone may not feel is necessary to be disclosed as these can be managed. Depression is also not necessarily hereditary so they may not have felt like sharing mental health struggles publicly especially of the husbands father. If it were a condition like schizophrenia then it should have been disclosed.
    The genetic defect is also a slippery slope. Were they aware that it could be carried to the nephew? I don’t know what the state of genetic counseling is like in India.

    2) The couple conducting the affair is solidly in the wrong. The wronged wife is acting out of desperation and pride is probably the last thing she is thinking about. She is frantically trying to save her marriage. If my child behaved as a homewrecker I certainly would not blindly support them or condone their behavior. I would tell them that I was ashamed of them and they needed to do the right thing.
    I’m also surprised that this couple is playing with fire. In many hospitals in the US such relationships will cause both the offending parties to be fired or severely disciplined if this behavior comes to light or someone files a complaint.

    3) The girl did nothing wrong. She had a relationship which did not work out. It is not the singular event that defines the rest of her life. If any potential partners are using that as a reason to not pursue an alliance then they are not the right matches. She should be confident and have faith in herself.
     
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    1. Wife n her family is wrong. They did not do thorough investigations in an arranged marriage setup before hand. If the sibling had a defect, how could it be hidden. Atleast 2 or 3 vists are done to n fro both houses before the wedding , and how was this genetic defect not observed by anyone in girls family before the marriage. She had no right to believe a stranger 100% before the wedding. Is the girl working? I guess not as otherwise even should have not disclosed her skin issue before marriage as it is not something major.
    2. F and Z are wrong. They should not have forgotten their marital status. The extra good qualities written for F doesnt seem true. If it was , the values would have prevented her from falling in love with Z.
    3. Girl is wrong in the sense she is still getting updates about her ex which is none of her business now. She split with her ex because of the religious differences and there is no point now in checking about the marital status of her ex.
     
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    nayidulhan Silver IL'ite

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    Thanks for your quick and crisp reply, @peet1983. :)
     

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