Veda And Science

I was intensely listening to a discourse given by my Guru comparing Vedic wisdom with scientific knowledge. Is there a real difference between them? Here is an excerpt of what was in the discourse:

“The Vedic Wisdom states that Mantra is mightier than machinery. For example, Pranava is nothing but the principle of Sakthi & Shiva. These principles known as Sakthi and Shiva are called by the scientists as electron and proton. Protons are the center of every atom. However, electrons revolve at a high speed around the proton. Veda explains it in separate ways.

It is explained clearly in Vedas that the Shiva and Shakti are part of the same entity as explained in science that electron and proton are part of the atom. One cannot exist without the other. For electrons, protons are the Atman. Neutrons were there even before electrons and protons. Veda calls it as Sat. What is Sat? There is a general belief Sat is effulgence, but it is not. It is darkness. The light comes out of darkness Veda explains that out of Ashanti or restlessness comes out the light (Prashanti), and out of Prashanti comes supreme effulgence which is divinity. That is called in Sanskrit as Taha & Maha combined as Tamaha. There are two meanings to Taha, and they are Amrita or Nectar, and the other is the womb. Scientists call this womb space. The second word Maha conveys two meanings a well and they are poison and time. So Tamaha represents the space and time continuum. The life of human beings reflects these two.

How do you find human beings appearing on Earth? First is the womb which is nothing but space. It shapes into a bubble on the 7th day. On the 15th day, it will be embryo. On the 30th day, it shapes into a hard substance. On the 60th day, the head emerges. Life enters on 210th day. The full human form is created on 240th day and delivered on 270th day. Vedas proved that for the human birth, space and time are important. Humans are not making any attempts to know these secrets of life. Humans are wasting all that time, body, and efforts in physical, world matters that are temporary and ephemeral. So, Veda and Science appear to be different, but they are not so. Veda could find out that which is not discovered by scientists. Science has not yet recognized all that is known by the Veda. Scientists truly know little. We should investigate the power of Divinity present in humans.”

Here are my observations about this discourse. Isn’t it true that energy exists in every atom whatever name it is called? Isn’t it true that we find out from our own experience that time and space play a key role in human life? Isn’t it true before the big bang happened, only blackhole existed and the big bang happened out of the black hole? Isavasya Unpanishad states that out of Brahman emerged a golden egg called Hiranyagarbha and from the Hiranyagarbha, Manasa-putras (mental sons) called Marichi, Angiras, Atri, Pulastya, Pulaha, Kratu, Vashista, Daksha, Bhrigu and Narada emerged.

A few years ago, I read a book written by Rev. Berg titled, “Nano: Technology of Mind over Matter.” He talked about philosphically rich Kabbalah’s faith. He said when God created a vessel separate from Him, it will not separate because it is nothing but a reflection of God. Therefore, he created two other vessels, one that would receive His grace and give it back to others and one that would receive His grace and retain it. He merged all three vessels to create the Universe. This interpretation reminded me of three Gunas, Sattvic, Rajasic and Tamasic qualities.

There is so much to learn from everything that happens around us including childbirth. A mother/child bond is another good example of how life is sustained because of love. Oxytocin (harmone of love) is generated in a mother’s body during labor and birth. Without time and space, there is no possibility of life. May be this is what was explained in the story of Asura and Deva helping Shiva to extract Amrit from the sea of milk and the poison coming out of the mouth of the snake that was used as a rope and Shiva consuming that poison. Human beings have both positive and negative qualities, and we may have to surrender our bad qualities to Shiva to enjoy Amrita of Bliss. We need to explore the light that helps us come out of our ignorance to realize our true form Sat-Chit-Ananda.

 

The Garbhagriha is not constructed on the ground. It is built over another chamber which has enough sand packed into it. This chamber has four pillars that hold up the floor of the Garbhagriha over them. The floor hosts the main idol as well as its elements that constitute the idols "power". Once the Idol has been brought to "life" the temple is proclaimed a living temple and the main idol is put over to cover the secret within. Subsequently the idol is "appeared" to be worshipped while the actual worship is done for the idol as well as the elements below. The idol is a visual representation of a reality contained in the elements, today unknown to all of us, well almost unknown.

There will be no windows to the Garpagraha to retain all the energy the deity has. The Gopuram or Vimanam also absorbs the space energy and channelizes directly into the deity. The human beings when they visit the temple and stand in front of the main deity, they get this energy. That is another reason why in some temples, men are asked to come near the Garpagraha without a shirt so that they can absorb this energy.

 

This thread I started in 2019 came to my mind when I wrote this thread.

Spiritual Molecule

 

Dear Smt Jayasala Madam:

I am not a philosopher or a Scientist to have deep knowledge to know whether light came from darkness or vice-versa nor I claim one. I am relying on the teachings of the philosophers, Gurus, the prophets, and some scientific publications.

Bible Teaching:

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. God saw that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness. God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the first day."

Quoran Teaching:

Praise be to Allah, Who hath created the heavens and the earth, and hath appointed darkness and light. Yet those who disbelieve ascribe rivals unto their Lord.

Torah Teaching:

This darkness is the foundation for the great light that will follow. This is the secret of the Hebrew word for "And He separated" (Gen. 1.4), hinting to how God extracted the pure light from within the darkness. Consequently, this is the formula of our reality that we are able and must constantly extract good from within the negative. Secondly, we see that our continued exile, the trials we have been forced to face throughout the generations in fact cleanse us, saving us from much more difficult punishments. Difficulties push us to return to proper Jewish living because we are forced to examine our own lives.

Brahadarnyaka Upanishad Teaching:

"asato mā sadgamaya,
tamaso mā jyotirgamaya,
mṛtyormā'mṛtaṃ gamaya."

Meaning,
"From the unreal lead me to the real!
From the darkness lead me to the light!
From death lead me to immortality!"

Teaching in science:

Scientists today accept the existence of photons and their weird wave-particle behavior. What they still debate is the more existential side of things, such as where light came from in the first place. To answer this question, physicists turn their attention to the big bang and the few moments that followed.

You might recall that the big bang is the birthing event that gave rise to the universe. You can read more in How the Big Bang Theory works, but it will be useful to remind you of the basics here. About 15 billion years ago, all matter and energy were bottled up in a small region known as a singularity. In an instant, this single point of super-dense material began to expand at an incredibly rapid rate. As the newborn universe expanded, it began to cool down and become less dense. This allowed more stable particles and photons to form.

Here's what may have happened:

1. Immediately after the big bang, electromagnetism didn't exist as an independent force. Instead, it was joined to the weak nuclear force.
2. Particles known as B and W bosons also existed at this time.
3. When the universe was just 0.00000000001 seconds old, it had cooled enough for electromagnetism to break from the weak nuclear force and for the B and W bosons to combine into photons. The photons mingled freely with quarks, the smallest building blocks of matter.
4. When the universe was 0.00001 seconds old, quarks combined to form protons and neutrons.
5. When the universe was 0.01 seconds old, protons and neutrons began to organize into atoms.
6. Finally, when the universe was the tender age of 380,000 years old, photons broke free, and light streamed across the dark chasms of space.

This light eventually dimmed and reddened until, finally, the nuclear furnaces in stars kicked on and began generating new light. Our sun turned on about 4.6 billion years ago, showering the solar system with photons. Those photons have been streaming to our humble blue planet ever since. A few fell on the eyes of great thinkers -- Newton, Huygens, Einstein -- and caused them to stop, to think and to imagine.

I really don't know what else to say in response to your question. My knowledge is limited and it is only assimilated knowledge from various sources and I don't have enough wisdom to give my own opinion or conclusion.

 

There are more new discoveries made about galaxies with new understanding of how the universe came into existence. Science is advancing much faster making some of the old scientific theories redundant.

 

Dear Smt. Jayasala:

No need for an apology as I never felt hurt. I definitely can't match the depth of knowledge you have and hence I had quoted a few from various religions and the latest scientific knowledge published.

Who can dispute Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam is the most innovative scientist in India responsible for spearheading the missle technologies in India besides contributing to India's space program as the Project Director initially? I had the privilege of meeting him once in the US when he visited our city. Most importantly, I admire him for being a great human being and a role model for many. I have closely interacted with Dr. Paulraj who directly worked for Dr. APJ Abdul Kalam in Defense Research Development Organization (DRDO) and learned a lot about him. I have also read his books "Wings of Fire" and "Vision 2020". His raise from a young boy in Rameswaram to the President of India is phenomenal.

Neil deGrasse Tyson's video explains how little we knew about how the universe came into existence and he explains what existed before the big bang. When we see from the human point of view, we don't exist without the Sun and he talks about the period before big bang and how even after big bang, matter and energy existed without light but took many billion years to coalesce before it started shining. Our own Sun formed only 4.6 billion years ago when the formation of the universe is believed to be over 13 + billion years back. No scientist is able to pinpoint the starting period of the universe and every assumption made are negated later. Now, they are thinking to fix a point as a starting point and if the origin go back beyond that period, they will consider as negative years.

When this discoveries are being made by the scientists reversing many assumptions of the scientists in the past, I wonder how the knowledge in Vedas and other holy books are consistant and reliable. I find that difficult to ignore.