Us Citizenship

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  1. EagerForInfo

    EagerForInfo Gold IL'ite

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    My friends mom has lived in the US since 1980. But till this day she still loves India hasn't taken US citizenship.. But with green card it is a hassle to come back to US every 6 months. So much expenses to pay for those flights and time waste too..

    But her family is encouraging her to take US citizenship to avoid the hassle of going back to US every 6 months .. She wants to go back to India forever when she is retired.. So she says she doesn't want US citizenship or greencard. She currently has a US greencard.. Please give pros and cons of applying for US citizenship and not applying for Us citizenship.
     
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    Anusha2917 Finest Post Winner

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    She doesn't need green card you say.
    And here she says she has a green card??

    Sorry no inputs. But was just wondering what exactly is her situation.
     
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    It sounds like the lady has a green card currently but does not want to pursue US citizenship.
    One of my friends parents are from Europe. They moved to the US and got green cards, then once the grandchildren were grown up decided they didn’t want to stay here long-term. If you simply leave the US while you have valid green card then you lose the status if you stay out for a long time and you will face hassles if you try to return to the US. They chose to voluntarily give up the permanent residency by submitting an application to USCIS. Since they are from a visa waiver country they can come and go as they please for visits under 3 months without needing tourist visa.
     
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    One of my friend surrendered his green card and went back to India. Now he regrets it.
    What is the harm in getting US citizenship and live wherever one wants?
     
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    Just considering your friend’s mom situation.
    Pros of having citizenship:
    1. No mandatory within US stay every year
    2. Visit as you please
    3. Relatively easy to travel around as US passport is still one of the powerful passports around.
    4. Availing applicable benefits like Social security, Medicare etc.
    Cons:
    1. If she wants to retire and settle in India, she will be an expat and medical expenses especially will be really high. Hospitals have a separate billing process for non-citizens.
    2. Any Indian govt related identity cards may be an issue.
    3. She would still need to have Indian visa I think, not sure about this one.
     
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    Didn't know this. None of my R2I'ed USC friends talk about this.

    1. So private hospitals like Apollo have a separate billing process and higher costs for patients who are not Indian citizens?
    2. How can they tell that an Indian looking and Indian talking ; ) patient has given up Indian citizenship? They ask for Aadhaar card?
     
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    Because it is not true. However, private clinics/hospitals in India can charge uninsured people whatever they please. There are no Menu Boards with prices on them.
    The patient/relatives of patients who demand treatment for blue-blooded NRI, would naturally be charged for blue-blood infusions at blue-blood prices. The truly indian-looking and indian-talking NRI's (usually USC's with OCI visas, who have retired to India, living modestly on their social security cheques of a thousand dollars a month or so) would have Reliance health insurance or something like that, and they present their insurance credentials, and get on with the treatment.
    I know that USC people filing Indian Tax returns have PAN card. Never heard of Aadhar card at hospitals.

    Usually parents who get a greencard, do that in order to emigrate the "unmarried minor" sibling of the USC who may tag-along with the sponsored parent. This "chain migration" is faster than the USC directly sponsoring a sibling and not with a parent. Once the parent is done bringing along the sibling, the parent is supposed to go back, and exchange the GC for a 10 year multiple entry visa to the USA, so that s/he can visit the children now and then. It is a rare oldie who wants to stay, and suffer the problems of USA without the benefits of going out to an employment and having "local" friends (amigos locos :tongueclosed:)

    A very simple rule is for people to have the nationality of the place where they have the most money in the bank, and dependable ATM machines that can dispense the money. Never a good idea to be far away from where your money is, especially when you are old.
     
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    Did you work in legal or banking? Can you please mansplain the above? : ) I honestly didn't get the latter part above. I got that there is no tiered rate for non-citizens and hospitals are free to charge anyone anything. But: if my born-and-always-lived in India sibling and I (H1 coolie -> GC -> USC/OCI) need the same medical treatment at Apollo, we could be charged the same?

    ? By the time a person gets his USC and his parents get their green card, won't the persons siblings mostly be over 18? Or are you talking about times when GC process was simpler?

    Why should the parent go back? Oh you mean the parent is like the farmer in the puzzle who brings across the river animals in combinations that don't kill each other if left unsupervised?

    I see these numbers increasing. At least 3-4 people in my not so large friend circle have had parents move to the U.S. with dad in early 80's.


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    OP, once again a thread started by you garners many interesting responses. Hope this is not a hijack. Medical care is a big concern in the give up GC decision.
     
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    I do not know anything specific to Apollo.
    Let us change the name of hospital to Zeus, (would you prefer Hercules?) so that I can talk generics. When you tell the hospital that one patient is of a special kind, that patient would usually be given special care -- at the clinic and the billing window. [same with hiring a car or autorickshaw]
    Oh...yes. You are now in the weeds of fine details. This works only for minors... and the first USC should have got there from Oonja, Gujrat, married a USC, got the citizenship in 3 years, and then go on to sponsor brother/mother pair, while working in spice godown of wholesale merchant. The usual H1, EB3, wait-wait-wait to GC at 40, citizenship at 45, scheme doesn't work.
    The ferry puzzle has an equivalent in DiL travelling Emirates with her PiL couple. They are all in the economy class in a 3-seat clutch. DIL in the middle. MIL would wring DIL's neck when FIL is not there. FIL would wring wife's neck when DiL is not there. MiL suspects FiL would fondle DiL when she is not there. and so on... I don't fully remember the thing, but it has to do with use of bathroom.
    It would be tough on the old guy, for sure. But then, who knows... what their individual pro-con balance is. It is all part of Karma -- people have to suffer what they have to suffer before they get that special blessed release from all this green-pan-aadhar-credit card business.
     
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    As far I know they ask only insurance details and Aadhar card during the admission for any hospitalisation.

    And since OP’s friends mom is still an Indian citizen I’m sure she can apply for Aadhar card if she doesn’t have one.
     

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