The Light of the Enlightened – Bhagavad gita verses 2.67-2.72

Cheeniya · Jul 1, 2008

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Dear Cheeniya Sir

Your example of a photographers and the eclipse was very convincing. You have explained clearly how the enlightned differ from the common people. Coming to the end of the second chapter you both have enlightened us with so many things which we have never heard of. Eagerly looking forward to the third chapter.

regards
Vidhi
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Dear Vidhi and Malathi
Honestly, I am looking forward to our journry through the Third Chapter with greater eagerness. In fact, after I started writing my supplements to Chitvish's lead posts, I feel a lot more at peace with myself. This is a strange journey I have never attempted before though I have read a lot of Theology. I have now understood that writing gives us a greater perspective than reading.
I am really grateful that I have this opportunity to do some introspection with all of you.
Sri

Vysan · Jul 1, 2008

Dear Chitvish,

Great... For a wanderer like me, this has brought light in the dark tunnel....

How true... The wandering mind carries away all the wisdom... When we are angry or very happy, we think of things whcih we cant do or will not even think of otherwise... We get carried away by the emotions... Your example of wind carrying the boat... the power of the wind is great...

that person who moves without desire and without the notion of "I" and "mine", enjoys peace.

Yes... I fully agree with you... If you dont have the ego and the attachment... you dont have expectations and no dejections.... you take things as they come and enjoy peace...

Again, the timing was so perfect.... hahahahaha... Great...

Thanks

Veda

Vysan · Jul 1, 2008

cheeniya said: ↑

For the uninitiated, it will be difficult to comprehend that the physical light that illuminates our surroundings is no light at all. But for those who have perceived the spiritual light, the physical surroundings will be total darkness.

Let us explore this in the parlance if ace photographers. They will always adjust the light settings in such a way that the object to be photographed will be under a bright arc lamp while the light on the surrounding areas will be dimmed. This enables the object to be photographed come in sharper focus. Seekers of spiritual light will also attach lesser and lesser importance to what the senses perceive. Unless our interest in what the senses perceive is effectively brought under control, the spiritual light will always remain elusive. The prayer of the Vedas, “Tamasso ma jyothir gamaya” relates to this spiritual exercise only. “Jyothi” is the term applied only to the spiritual light. “Tamasa” is not the physical darkness but refers to the darkness of the light as perceived by the senses.

The first step towards perceiving the Divine Light is, as the photographers do, to reduce the luminosity of whatever our senses perceive and simultaneously intensify the search within for the Divine Light. If we keep at it, what may first appear as a faint and fading star, will gradually become increasingly brighter. As the French Theologian Fenelon says, “As the light grows, we see ourselves to be worse than we thought. We are amazed at our former blindness as we see, issuing from our heart, a whole swarm of shameful feelings, like filthy reptiles crawling from a hidden cave. But we must be neither amazed nor disturbed. We are not worse than we were; on the contrary, we are better. But while our faults diminish, the light we see them by waxes brighter, and we are filled with horror. So long as there is no sign of cure, we are unaware of the depth of our disease; we are in a state of blind presumption and hardness, the prey of self-delusion. While we go with the stream, we are unconscious of its rapid course; but when we begin to stem it ever so little, it makes itself felt.”

Whenever a total solar eclipse occurs, the birds and beasts perceive it as the fall of dusk and start their homeward journey. But as humans, we understand this temporary darkness and pity the birds and beasts for their ignorance. Similarly, people who have experienced the Divine Light smile at our ignorance of perceiving the darkness or the ‘Maya’ of temporal light as the real and go after it with all our physical senses.
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Dear Sri,

What a classic example.... Your suppliment post to the lead post makes it all the more easy to understand for the dumbheads like me... Thanks for making this high theory subject to be understood with beautiful simple examples...

Veda

Chitvish · Jul 1, 2008

Dear Vidhi,
Our controlling sense organs is the main problem.
Once bliss-consciousness is permanently attained, thereafter cravings, call them desires do not arise. Till then they do poke their ugly heads in our life.Lasting peace can never be attained.
Only meditation on the Self leads us to grow and attain cosmic consciousness.
The time taken is, not just "lot", Vidhi, it is many many janmas!!
We must learn a lesson from every fall!
Love,
Chithra.

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Dear Chith

When we are controlled by the sense organs everything leads us to trouble. On the other hand when we control them there is no problem. To be not affected by anything needs lots of courage, compassion, faith and love. To realise that the suffering comes to us because of our own mistakes itself is a great step. And to accept it and overcome it atleast a percentage of it really takes a lot of time. Each time when you have a fall it clearly shows where you stand.

Love
Vidhi
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Chitvish · Jul 1, 2008

Dear Veda,
Your visiting this thread makes me happy, can't help saying.
All said & done, it is not easy to get over "I" and "mine". That is not wrong at all, but we must always remember the extent upto which we can go - emotions, if strong, make us falter and it is too late when we regret.
More than giving up attachments, we have to learn to accept whatever comes our way. It may be what we like or exactly opposite of what we wanted to happen. But that is life!!
Love,
Chithra.

Vysan said: ↑

Dear Chitvish,

Great... For a wanderer like me, this has brought light in the dark tunnel....

How true... The wandering mind carries away all the wisdom... When we are angry or very happy, we think of things whcih we cant do or will not even think of otherwise... We get carried away by the emotions... Your example of wind carrying the boat... the power of the wind is great...

that person who moves without desire and without the notion of "I" and "mine", enjoys peace.

Yes... I fully agree with you... If you dont have the ego and the attachment... you dont have expectations and no dejections.... you take things as they come and enjoy peace...

Again, the timing was so perfect.... hahahahaha... Great...

Thanks

Veda
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madhu11 · Mar 8, 2009

Dear Mrs. C,

Never thought our mind to be an ocean. I have learned alot in these gita posts. I am ever greatfull and happy for all the things that I have and people in my life.

Malathijagan · Mar 16, 2009

Dear Chithra,
I have a doubt in the 72nd stanza of the 2nd chapter.
Is it possible for a person who has lived a sinful life all through to attain the Brahma sthithi if at the time of death he genuinely makes an effort to attain Nirvana?
If that is the case would it not convey a wrong message to lay people that one can postpone trying to achieve Nirvana till the time of ones death? Should not realising Brahman be a life time experience?
Could you please enlighten me on this?
Love,
Malathi

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