Mystery behind creation of maya worlds

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    FORMLESS MIND

    The Munn itself is Niranjan, also known as Kal Niranjan, Alak Niranjan, Nirakar Niranjan, Kal Purush, Paramatma, or Easwar.

    Gupat bhayo hain sung sabb ke, munn hi niranjan janiye.
    Munn (Mind) resides within everyone in an invisible form.

    Munn hi nirakar niranjan janiye.
    Munn itself is the formless Niranjan


    Jivas (souls) are the parts of Param Purush that have separated from Him & are in the prison of this world of Munn (mind) and Maya (Body). Their real abode is Amarlok—a very rare & unique one. But the jivas (souls) have forgotten all about this Loka & are taking considering this universe of Kal Purush as the real one. All this is the play of Kal Purush (Mind) where man is dancing like a monkey & is thinking his welfare in it. This Kal Purush is the devil that resides in our bodies in the form of Munn. This Munn (mind) has imprisoned all the jivas (souls) in a cage of Maya (body). Because of this they are unable to know themselves. Five basic elements constitute Maya & this body is also Maya because it has been made out of these five elements. Nature is also Maya. Both Munn & Maya have united. Maya resides in Munn. This is a hidden mystery that is known to some rare ones. Munn itself is Niranjan or Nirakar. Man is able to see His activities only. The following lines of Kabir Sahib ji make it quite clear.
    Munn hi sarupi dev niranjan, tohi rakhe bharmayi.
    Hey hansa tu Amar Lok ka, parha kal bass aayi.
    Panch pachees teen ka pinjrha, ja mein tohi rakha bharmai.

    Kabir Sahibji says, “O Hansa! Amar Lok is thy real abode. But at present you have fallen in the grip of Kal. In fact, Munn itself is Niranjan (God) who has imprisoned you in the bodily cage of 5 material elements

    You are not the Meterial Body, You are not the formless Mind.
    You are Atma in this maya worlds, Hansa from the eternal world Amarlok.

    You are not the doer God is, Krishnaji tells Arjuna to give up the doership. Atma is the source of power only. Mind and Maya are the prison for Atma.

    Mind takes four forms-
    Thought-Maan-- Defends on place -situation- awastas.
    Intellect-Buddhi- Defends on Vasanas (Trigunas)-tendences evolved over 84 lakhs of life forms
    Memory-Chit--Data storage- for consultation before action it also has, Kam (desire), Krodh (anger), Lobh (greed), Moh (attachment), Mada (pride)- veda suggest Chita suddhi.
    Ego-Ahamkaar - Action (Leads to consequences and rebirth)

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    Avatar and Mahapurushas are invested with the super natural power of the formless Mind-Nirakaar, which formed the basis of authoring scriptural doctrines of various religions. Just as-
    1. Yahudi-Judaism's holy book is Torah.
    2. Bhud-Buddist's holy book is Tripitaka.
    3. Jain-Jainism's holy book is Agama.
    4. Isai-Christanity's holy book is Bible.
    5. Islam's holy book is Quran.
    6. Sikh-Sikhism's holy book is Adi Granth.
    7. Parsi-Zorastrian's holy book is Zend Avesta.
    8. Hindu-Hinduism's holy book is based on the famous Sruti Veda.
    However, with time, various Mahapurushas rendered holy books from which their followers made various sects, divisions and Matts. In India, those who do not accept the four Vedas have made Chavark, Buddhist, Jain and Shakth and their division and subdivisions.
     
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    In the mortal world of Kalpurush, there is no other source than the complicated and contradicting scriptures on philosophy of Dharma. Highlighting the pitfalls of those philosophies, Kabir Sahib has given true Adhyatmic Wisdom. His words brought out the limitations of the worldly Dharmas and its blind worship-
    Teerat Gaye Dou Jana, Chitt Chanchal Man Chor|
    Eko Paap Na Katiya, Ladhey Das Man Aur||

    People are prompted by the Chitt to undertake Pilgrimages along with the wicked Mind. None obtains any benefit by these act on the contrary, it multipliese problems more than ten times due to perversive Mind.
    Three physical sins: Stealing, Violence, Immorality
    Three sins of word: abuse, accusition and lies
    Four mental sins: hatred, jealousy, pride and wickedness.
    All these ten constitute sins of the Mind.
     
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    From Devi Puran;
    32-40. Vyâsa said :-- Speaking thus in a melodious voice, the Supreme One -Devi smiled and again said :-- “This world is all full of error and delusion. Really, it is very wonderful that Brahmâ, Visnu, Indra and other gods are all shuddering out of fear from Mahisa Dânava. The power of Destiny is exceedingly great and terrible; its influence cannot be overcome even by the best of the Devas. O king! The Kal is the Lord of happiness and pain; Kal is, therefore, the God. The wonder is this that even those who can create, preserve and destroy this world, they are being overpowered.

    Janamejaya ; O Muni! After Vâsudeva had gone to Heaven, his wives were plundered by the dacoits on the way. I am very much in doubt on this point. Also I cannot understand why did this event take place just after His translation to Heaven? Again how was S’rî Krisna, who was Visnu's Full incarnation, born into this world to take off the vicious load of this earth, and to destroy the evil-doers, terrified and He fled through the fear of Jarâsandha, evacuated His kingdom of Mathurâ and went with His armies and friends to Dwârkâ? Vâsudeva came here to destroy the evil miscreants and to conserve the religion; how then did He not, as He was all knowing, previously kill those dacoits, who afterward stole and plundered His wives? Was it, that He, being Omniscient did not know those dacoits? He protected the Pândavas, no doubt, who were high souled, righteous and virtuous; but I cannot understand how did He consider the high souled virtuous persons like Bhîsma, Drona and others as loads of earth and slay them. The devotees of S’rî Krisna, observing good customs, conducts and practices, Yudhisthira and his brothers performed the Râjasuya sacrifice, according to rules, giving various offerings to the Brâhmins and depended entirely on Vâsudeva; still, O Muni! they suffered terrible hardships; whither were their virtuous deeds by this time? what horrible sins did they commit that they had to suffer pains and troubles in the assembly. The highly merited Draupadî arose from the midst of sacrificial fire and is born of the part of Laksmî, pure and devoted to S’rî Krisna. How did such a glorious woman meet with incomparable terrible pains often and often; how could she be caught hold of by her hair on her head by Duh'sâsan; and carried to the royal assembly, when she was in her menses and extremely terrified and harassed? How did she come to be a slave of Matsya Râj in his kingdom Virât, and though actually crying aloud like a female osprey (eagle) she was highly insulted by Kîchaka! Alas! how could Draupadî be stolen away by Jayadratha, though latterly released by the Pândavas? What evil deeds did the Pândavas commit in their previous births, that they had to befall under so many telling difficulties?

    Sage Suta; O king! You would better know, that in this Universe the course of Karma is not easily comprehensible; even the Devas are not capable to comprehend the wonderful effects of actions; what to speak of men! . When this Universe composed of the three Gunas arose, it was through Karma, that everything had its origin.
    O king! Everybody, even Brahmâ, Visnu and Mahes'a all under the influence of this Karma! And they experience pleasure, pain, old age, disease and death, joy and sorrow, lust, anger, greed and other bodily qualities, out of the effects of this Karma, which we call ordinarily Fate.



    What do you think are the Trinity Gods self realised?
     
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    Ramji has returned from Lanka and he was ruling his country. On an auspicious time, he was plotting for a palace nearby. At the time, he felt that there was something below the earth. Thinking about that, he directed them to clear the earth from that place. On removal of earth, they noticed someone observing penance. All were frightened with the prospect of a curse. When the Sage opened his eye, Ramji fell prostrate and offered his obeisance.
    Bolo Vachan Rishi Tab, Ko Ho Ko Kahu Mohi||Rup Bhavey Bahu Aagar, Dekho Nrup Sab Tohi||
    Rishi asked Ramji to identify himself. He said- You look like a King.
    Dasharat Tanai Ram Mohi Nau|Raho Samip Avdhadpur Gaun||
    Rishi Kaho Bayo Ram Avtara|Pancho Yaha Kab Karab Bhuvara||
    Hey Rishi Raj Mey Kirti Banau|Jatey Rahey Yahi Jag Mey Naau||
    Kaha Rishiraj Jivan Hai Thora|Chado Kot Kaha Sun Mora||
    Ram Kaho Rishi So Nij Marma|Kethey Diwas Kiya Tapdharma||
    Lomash Rishi Mor Hey Naau|Apney Janm Ki Ko Kahyo Prabhau||
    Aat Pahar Rath Din Hoi|Aho Rath Kahey Sab Koi||
    Doyi Pakh Kar Prahar Pramana|So Ek Diwas Pitran Ko Jana||
    Varsh Diwas Jab Unko Hoi|Ek Diwas Devan Ko Soi||
    Barah Varsh Diwas Jab Jana|Chaudah Sahastra Ek Manu Jo Bakhana||
    Sapta Manu Jabhi Jayi Bighoi|Tab Ik Indra Kal Sab Hoi||
    Sapta Indra Jab Hovey Nasha|Ik Brahma Ko Hoi Binasha||

    Ramji replied- I am Rama, son of Dashrath. I stay in the nearby Avadhpur. The Rishi said- Oh! Rama's avatar has started! Ram asked for the blessing of Fame in the world and extention of his reign. Rishi told Ram that life in this world is too short therefore you should give up the attachment to the royal palace. Ram requested for the identity of the Rishi and How long he has been in the penance. The Rishi replied that his name is Lomash Rishi. 8x3 makes 1 day and 1 night. When the 12 Krishna Paksh and Shukla Paksh are completed, it makes 1 year and for the Pitrlok it is 1 day. When Pitrlok completes 1 year, it is 1 day for Demi God (Devas). When 12 years of Devas are completed, it is a time of 1 manu. When seven Manus die, it is a time of 1 Indra. When 7 Indras dies, it is the time of 1 Brahma.
    Sapt Brahma Jab Vinshi, Tab Ek Vishnu Ko Nash|| Sapt Vishnu Jab Bithi, Tab Ik Rudra Vinash||
    When 7 Brahma dies, it is the time of 1 Vishnu. When 7 Vishnu dies, 1 Shiva dies.
    Sora Rudra Gathi Jab Hoi| Tab Ik Rom Mam Parey Khasoi||
    Tatey Lomas Naam Hai Mora|Kara Samadh Jitbey Hai Thora||

    Lomash Rishi said- When 16 Shivas dies, 1 hair of my body is destroyed.
    Janiyo Janm Alp Jab, Chaley Swarg Asthaan||
    Nirakar Niranjan, Tasu Marm Na Jaan||

    When the truth of life was unrevealed by the Rishi in front of him then Ramji gaveup his body in the Sarayu river.

    All the four brothers, gave up their body and attained the heavens. Then again out of desire, he took the incarnation of Krishna. Kabir Sahibji says the Ram whom the world shows devotion, this was his condition. Many were killed. This Kal Purush is very violent, he even kills the Tridevas. Till Jiva gets the Naam, it cannot get salvation from the world of Kal.
     
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    KNOWLEDGE-WISDOM AND VIVEK
    Knowledge is based on Mind, Thought arise, Buddhi- Intellect discriminates (Worldly - Quality and Quantity) and Chitt-memory stores the conclusive data for posterity ( Capacity 100 Janmas), it may lead to action- Ahamkar

    Wisdom (Illumined intellect thru Yoga, Scriptures, Divine) can be worldly - right and wrong, Good and Bad, holy and unholy etc. Punya Kamayee.

    Higher Wisdom - (Vivek -Grace of Satguru) based on Atma- Spirit - spiritual discrimination- Permanent and impermanent, Maya-Illusion and truth. Heavan and Salvation.:thumbsup
     
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    Mind and Maya is one and the same, Maya is present in the Mind. Therefore, there is confusion in all the three worlds, all are unable to comprehend this entanglement. Sahib says to whom all I have to explain-
    Man Maya Toh Ekhey, Maya Manhi Samaay|
    Tin Lok Sans Padhi, Kahey Kahu Samujay||

    Maya has emerged from Mind, from which Vishnu got Satwagun, Brahma has Rajogun and Shivji got Tamogun. These three are born to Maya (Adi Shakti) and Maan (Kalniranjan). In reality, the five elements are Maya; with it the body was made out of it to bound Jivas. Maya is the power of attraction (Mohini Shakti) of Mind; to which human, muni, devtas, etc. are fascinated. Through the Maya, mind swallows every person of the three Lokas but nobody could eat Maya. Kabir Sahibji says-
    Maya Tey Man Upjey, Maya Trigun Roop|
    Paanch Tatva Key Mel Mey, Bandey Sakal Saroop||
    Maya Man Ki Mohini, Surr Nar Rahey Lubhaay||
    Ek Maya Sab Khahiya, Maya Koi Na Kaay||
     
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    Alakh Niranjan with his trinity sons; Brahma who creates, Vishnu who sustains and Shiva who destroy, never let Jivas free from Maya. As a Mind, as per his desires engages all Jivas in action and he also acts as a dispenser of fruits of action. With repeated creation and dissolution, by creating Satyug, Tretayug, Dwaparyug and Kaliyug, and as Mind indulges Jivas in enjoyment, action and devotion. In the Bhakti- devotion, he remains as a goal of attainment. Kabir Sahib has given the description of the world of Alakh Niranjan in his words of wisdom ('Gyan Gudri')-:thumbsup
     
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    None can change his crow like nature into that of a Hansa without getting blessed with Sar Naam.
    Sar Shabad Paye Bina, Kaga Hans Na Hoyi.

    Kankar Patthar Jode Ker, Masjid Leyi Banaye.
    Ta Chadi Mulla Baang De, Bahira Huwa Khudai.

    After making a mosque out of the collected pebbles and stones, the Muslim priest creies aloud as if God were deaf.
    At that time, the people were engrossed in two kinds of worship—Sagun as well as Nirgun. Sahib Kabir talked about the mode of worship that was far unique from these two. Did he speak against the 4 kinds of salvation? Did he speak against the status of guru or the recitation of Naam? Certainly not. He only spoke about the limit of each. Regarding the 4 kinds of salvations he said that those were within the power of Niranjan and the jiva will be reborn after enjoying the fruit for some definite period of time. These four kinds of salvation are a sort of prison house. The Soul living in the bodily cage feels much frustrated. No person can feel comfortable in a prison even if he is provided with all sorts of facilities. He will remain sad and frustrated. It is sin to place any animal in a cage. It is a violation of its right to freedom. Likewise, this universe is like a cage in which all the jivas have been imprisoned.

    Then there are forests—big and small to be found. These are the abodes of the animals. They are also in prison. Some animals are free to move within a radius of 10-15 km. They can’t go beyond it. How can we call them free. Then there are big forests that extend upto a radius of 300-400 km. These are like the national sanctuaries. The animals living there have to remain within that limit. The jivas can’t be allowed to cross this limit. Then how can we call them as free? The same is true of the 4 kinds of salvation as well. No jiva enjoying the fruit there can stay there for ever. They are in the grip of Niranjan who makes them dance to his tunes.
    Sahib Kabir was a rare of scientist. Even today, many panths and religions have adopted his sayings. Those who commit acts of forgery and cheating, are sure to go to hell. He has talked about the techniques that can help the devotees attain the four kinds of salvation. No spiritual knowledge is to be found in the abodes the devotees attain on the basis of these salvations.
     
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    What Gita says
    Arjuna had a Problem with War which will end lives of his near and dear ones.

    Ch2-7) Now I am bewildered. What is my real duty? Overwhelmed by apprehension for the fall of our dynasty, I am begging You to please tell me clearly which course of action is most beneficial for me. I am Your surrendered disciple. Kindly instruct me.

    Krishnji asked Arjuna to do his Chatriya Dharma-Karma, Fight War.

    First option Do it on My Name.
    Ch 9- 27) O Kaunteya, whatever your action whether general o rscriptural, whatever you eat, what you offer in sacrifice, whatever you donate in charity, and any vow you keep do everything as an offering unto Me.

    Arjun was still not ready , Viswaroop Dharsan of Krishnaji
    Ch 11- 25) Just seeing Your faces resembling the fire of universal annihilation, ghastly with all their terrible teeth, I can no longer distinguish one direction from another, nor can I find peace of mind. O Supreme Lord of all the gods, O shelter of the universe, please be merciful to me.
    Ch11-32) The Supreme Lord said: I am Kal, the mighty force that vanquishes everyone, and My mission is to devour all who reside in this world. Of all fighters in the enemy party, even if not slain by you, not one will be spared.

    There fore the
    Second option Surrender all action at may feet.
    Ch18-66) Totally abandoning all kinds of religion, surrender exclusively unto Me. I will liberate you from all kinds of sins, so do not despair.
    Battle won Krishna asked them to do Yagya for the killing their Kins men,
    Dharmaraja attained Salvation others reached hell.


    Karma for Tamsic, Yoga for Rajasic and Gyan+ Viswaroop Dharsan for Satwik persons.
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