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Discussion in 'Relationship With In-Laws' started by Goahead, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. MonikaSG

    MonikaSG Platinum IL'ite

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    You need to first think about why he said you become judgemental. You must have done something earlier like this.
    Even after 13 years of marriage you feel like this then first try to find the fault that you could have. As why you still comes next to his family.
    Everyone wants to share his/her feelings to those who really understand. If someone is hiding something to us then they might feel that we don't understand them.
    Your husband came behind you just because of the love and respect that he have for you.
    Don't always find the fault sometimes feel the fault too.
     
  2. Amica

    Amica IL Hall of Fame

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    Sounds like an attempt to control him. This can't possibly end well.
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  3. Sandycandy

    Sandycandy IL Hall of Fame

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    Sharing of passwords / phones / social media accounts between spouses should only happen when both of them are equally ok with it. You are ok , husband is not. You need to get your husband back on your team . That involves using your own phone to check something on google, letting him talk to his family as and when he wants to without passing any judgements ( keep your opinions about his family members in your thought bubble , he can’t read your mind can he ?) . Calm down, take a deep breath, apologize for checking his WhatsApp messages and move on. Only touch his phone if you suspect an EMA ( signs include ignoring you, smiling to himself, spending too much time on the phone, in front of the mirror and listening to Ashiqui songs) . Till then rest easy ! Take care !
     
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  4. BhumiBabe

    BhumiBabe Platinum IL'ite

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    I am one of those people who kept my phone unlocked before marriage. I didn't really think too much about it. But after marriage, I became really private about my messages BECAUSE my private conversations with my family and friends would be used as common conversation topics. It really bugged me that my husband thought it was acceptable to read my messages and tell his parents or brother. I am even more secretive nowadays, I never keep my phone unlocked around my husband, and definitely do not like him searching on my browser. The thing is, I am not having an affair, or doing anything harmful behind his back, I just don't want my private thoughts and conversations to be questioned and create unnecessary drama.

    My point is, a person's privacy should be respected, even if they are your own spouse. It is not as if you need to share every thought and detail to each other. Maybe it is better that you are able to filter information as necessary. Things that my parents have told me about their travel plans or family stuff, I don't regurgitate word for word, because it will be perceived incorrectly, so I moderate and make it easier for my husband to understand and not make snap judgmental commentary. I don't know if your husband is just trying to minimize the drama, but this is just my perspective about privacy between spouse.
     
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  5. Rihana

    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Most likely the lying and hiding started after he was asked or expected to share everything he talks with his mother, sister. Agreed that many Indian women have interfering in-laws who can make life hell from across the seven seas, but, the man also does not have it easy when it comes to balancing his mother, sister and wife. A wife who insists on looking at his messages will not endear herself to him in any way.

    Of what use will it be to her to know what he is talking with them? After a decade plus of marriage, she can pretty much script write their conversations. She can make sure in other ways that things like money, vacation plans etc are not decided without her involved, but for the rest give the man his space. What does she gain by forcing him to let her look at his messages? What happiness or harmony will it bring into their marriage? Will she simply read them and keep quiet? No, she will interrogate him to high heaven.

    Some Indian women are fortunate to have a husband who treats her as his first priority and makes that clear to all, some women were fortunate to have been able to choose such a husband. For the rest, they can stand on their head, but it is not going to happen. So, they can instead use a little tact and delayed gratification to get the man on their side. Insisting on looking at his phone messages does not help the woman at all. Getting or teaching a man to treat wife as priority is like teaching a man to bring gifts or be romantic. Not much fun. Better if it comes naturally to him or figure out a comfortable enough middle.

    Feelings can be valid and perhaps one cannot help them too. But acting on them and "Of course I took his phone and took a look at his WhatsApp..conversation with his sister that he was hiding " is very harmful to the woman and the marriage.. definitely not something she is aiming for. Forget about looking at the phone of an adult, even forcing a teenager to let parent look at his or her phone is of no help at all. They will simply find another way to maintain the privacy they want.
     
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    poovai Platinum IL'ite

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    A person's privacy should be respected. It is not hiding, it is their comfort zone / personal space and everyone needs their space. If someone is abusing it by doing nasty things behind their spouse's back, then it will be a different story.
     
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    This is an assumption. To me, all that the OP did was to take his phone to google. I don't see anything wrong with it. Whether it is correct to look at spouse's messages is dependent on each couple and the situation they are in. If a person is secretly planning with his/her family to divorce his/her spouse, of course, one would go and look. No one here knows the nature of the message or history of the type of conversations that used to happen in the in-law family and how the repercussions of it were on the peace of the OP's marriage. Moreover, how each person reacts to another in a marriage is endogenous. What annoying behaviour of the spouse makes a person have to go and look into his/her messages? Nobody plans to behave irrationally. There must be some trigger, not only for OP's spouse but for OP as well.

    I don't understand why people are stuck on one aspect - that the OP read the messages. She may or may not have been wrong. Given that I don't know what the history is, I refuse to judge if it was right or wrong. But I think I gave the benefit of doubt to the OP completely, which I agree I should not have. Keep that aside, even if OP was wrong, is this how a mature person who's married would react? The simple direct response would have been to say in a strong voice, told you already - don't look at my messages. Not make it into a huge issue. Looks like even when the OP was ready to let it go, her spouse followed her to continue the argument.

    If someone had to come to an online forum and post something about their marriage, I guess they are in a pretty bad emotional state. She needs support - whether it is saying in a good way that she is wrong or giving her a solution. She did not post here to be bombarded at. Am sure she receives enough of this at home already. She cannot do anything with "you are wrong". Other than say "fine."

    I agree that no one can force anyone to do something they don't want to. That's simple microeconomics. And I agree that how one feels is not a valid reason to overstep boundaries. But given that I don't know what exactly triggered the OP, I am no one to judge.

    Since you and justanothergirl are more experienced, you can offer OP advice that she can act upon given the current situation and help her deal with the situation in case she is forced to stay with in-laws who lie (according to the OP).

    I appreciate the critical analysis of my responses in your feedback and justanothergirl 's feedback as well. As a person with way less experience, I may not be mature enough to understand all of this. OP can choose to ignore my opinion. But I still think the history here is important and none of us here know that completely.

    I have nothing more to opine on.
     
  8. Goahead

    Goahead Silver IL'ite

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    So many mixed responses but first let me clarify : I did not pick his phone here’s what happened.. he started fixing my phone by picking it up he knows my password and started to fix it but was unable to for some reason and then it was him who googled the phone and while we were together looking at the steps to set up , for an instance I took his phone to read the steps carefully making sure I understand .. kids started crying and something happened and then I again picked up his phone to co to us reading. To this I sensed that he is making sure that I just read and not look at other stuff... I was suspicious... so I kept the phone in my hand to see his reaction... he was definitely hiding something ... I did not read his messages from what apps but just mentioned something ina funny tone and he started counter attacking me that why you have to go read my messages etc

    Another thing to clarify : we do have emails opened on phone all the times and he does check my email by picking up my phone to check some email that is expected etc etc... if my phone beeps and he’s in front he does open up my messages to see who sent it ... and would read it to me saying that you have a message from your sister brother or whatever ...

    So how is it justified for him to be able to read my meaaages and make it sound like he just encountered them and for me to not able to open his Whatsapp.. ???

    So all the ladies please read this again and send me suggestions again... it was clearly a case of hiding from me , lying things to me.. and this hiding and lying is not new .. he does that for his family all the times ... somehow I have never made a big deal about it but have definitely told him clearly that I k ow he lies to me and he stays quiet.. I have may be confronted him hiding or lying only 2-3 times but have never made a big issue out of it.

    This time I’m not able to let it go ...
    On top of that he started to counter attack me .. if I’m hiding something from someone , I would have a soft tone he instead started putting the blame on me ... and this is also another part of his nature that he starts finding faults at me all the times ..
    I told him that I do not deserve this reaction to simply picking up your phone.. you can take t and keep your messages to yourself and I was super angry since I’m done taking the blame all the times

    Moreover his mother also does that ...that makes me more mad.. she lies manipulated and starts putting the blame on other person ...
    I’m dealing with a scenario here where I need to find a permanent solution for the peace of my mind .. I do not want to teach my kids that it’s ok to lie to your spouse or hide things and if you getting caught , put the blame on other person to change or win the situation .. it’s just not ethical, moral to me .. I have a genuine problem and this problem exist only with things related to inlaws ..
     
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    I agree with other posters that a person's privacy should be respected [ If there is EMA or related problems, situation is different and approach too]
    NO need to monitor what dh and MIL/SIL are talking about. Same way you dont have to inform your dh about what you are doing in your personal space or what you talk to your parents if not needed. Talking and creating issue on this topic is not going to give you any peace of mind or happiness or help your relationship with dh

    First thing you have to do is lock your phone. Rule should be the same for everyone. If he wants privacy, you also need privacy. Both should respect that. If your husband needs something on your phone, he needs to ask your permission to check your phone and vice versa.
     
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  10. Sandycandy

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    Well then, change your passcode and “goahead”with life as usual. If husband asks let him know that privacy works both ways . Don’t lose your sleep over this too much! Remember you want your husband in your team.

     
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