To Hijab Or Not To Hijab

Thyagarajan · Feb 17, 2022

Balajee said: ↑

Tyagu sir, you are going real deep into the question asking why dress at all ? But as the Tamil saying goers AaL PADHI AADAI PADHI ( r%LOUGHLY translated Clolthes maketh man). The legendar5y Italian poet Dante once went to an aristocrat's banquet dressed in ordinary clothes and was anot allowed to enter the house by the guards. He went back and returned draped in finery and the guards bowed before him. As the banquwt started Dante rubbed food a,ll over his dress. When asked the reason for his behaviour he quipped "Obviously the invitation is for my dcress so I am feeding it because when I came in huymble attire I was not allowed". But here it is not just about dress but about how religious tug-of-war can blight the future of students, particularly those belonging to minority community.
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I enjoyed reading this response .
Dante made his point superbly. Thanks for this info.

Balajee said: ↑

PADHI AADAI PADHI ( r%LOUGHLY translated Clolthes maketh man).
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I agree. God makes man. Taylor makes gentleman. But then who creates religion and who formulated it’s dressing code.

Thyagarajan · Feb 17, 2022

This pic speaks volume.

Balajee · Feb 17, 2022

Srama said: ↑

Dear Balajee,

I found myself agreeing to many points you raise The first one is "why girls?". It really breaks my heart. I agree with you that religion is personal and at the same time, I am okay with the dress code religious places impose - I think if we are entering another person's place of worship and if it is for curiosity reasons, if my curiosity is more important than the dress code, I will follow and then there is that word 'respect' - I respect what they follow or it is not my business to be there. I have to tell you that I have benefited so much especially in my travels while visiting churches and think I have become a better person for that. I realized the importance of that word 'respect'. I have to share a personal story here - one time I had a big gathering (in those days) for my neighbors - with a lot of little kids even some crawling babies. I requested that all guests take their shoes off and one neighbor said "no! my legs, my shoes, my wish!" I kept quiet but have not invited that person back again even though I continue to host get togethers. We are still friends, polite but we realize our differences and that's that! Perhaps it is a relief for that person too especially knowing they prefer only potatoes and peas as vegetarian food I don't know.

The way you have described what's happening in karnataka and kashmir is so heartbreaking. I would like to say that education should not be mixed with religion and then think of the days when all of us recited prayers before the start of the school and wonder now about it from the view point of others! Sometimes some students tell me that they do not want to go to church or temple and I tell them the same things you have mentioned here. asking them to do what parents suggest for now so that when they do make a decision, it is because they have tried it and are informed about it. This certainly feels like they have opened a pandora's box! There is a system in place and working - goal being school is a place of learning and followers of all religions are welcome! I was disturbed reading about this whole hijab story
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Yes Sabitha why girls? It is because only girls wear Hijab and also in a patriarchial society girls have been raised to be more vulnerable than boys. Yes the catchjword is "respect". Let us respect their dress code but in this case the question arises what when two dress codes clash or rather, deliberately made tio clash by vested interests? Like the school uniform and dress codefuture of the girls over a scarf/ prescribed by religious diktats It is infuriating that people are playing with the education and future of these girls using a scarf as an excuse.

Churches do hasve a ki9nd of atmosphere where you feel peace when there is silence and when the choir sings. I should know. I spent few months in a monastery in Italy. well at leasr in theirt guest house. Every Sunday I religiously attended the Church, not to listen to the sermon but to the music.

Minion · Feb 17, 2022

radhaparth2000 said: ↑

My comment is not about the OP, but TN is painting a secular look, but brahmins are oppressed, made fun of and disrepected!
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If you want to understand the meaning of oppression speak to your Dalit friends.

Minion · Feb 17, 2022

radhaparth2000 said: ↑

Its an evident known fact that the ruling party in TN is against the brahmin clan since the party launch in 60's. This was taught by EVR and is still promoted and practised by the ruling party.
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Can you backup your known fact with data like this ?

The National Crime Records Bureau publishes an annual "Crime in India" report. In its 2018 report, it lists 42,793 cases — meaning a Dalit was a target of crime, on average, every 15 minutes.

They’re Hindu too but still feel at the bottom of India’s social ladder

Minion · Feb 17, 2022

Thyagarajan said: ↑

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This pic speaks volume.
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Does it means this speaks very less ?

Mysterious naked holy men a huge draw at India's Kumbh Mela

chanchitra · Feb 17, 2022

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Minion said: ↑

You tell me if you have any information
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The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years
Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand hindus every year.
List goes on
The persecution of kashmiri pundits. Forced to flee from their own houses.

The rule of British. All Indians were slaves at that time.

But we will keep talking only about the caste system that prevailed even before all these.
From 1947 ,all dalits have been given reservations in education and jobs in a bid to compensate for the atrocities on their forefathers.

Minion · Feb 17, 2022

chanchitra said: ↑

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The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years
Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand hindus every year.
List goes on
The persecution of kashmiri pundits. Forced to flee from their own houses.

The rule of British. All Indians were slaves at that time.

But we will keep talking only about the caste system that prevailed even before all these.
From 1947 ,all dalits have been given reservations in education and jobs in a bid to compensate for the atrocities on their forefathers.
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You could have gone little further and could have started with the beginning of human mankind and listed the atrocities, so you mentioned Hindus, is that just Brahmin Hindus of all Hindus?

Brahmin is the highest Varna in Vedic Hinduism. The population of India that is considered a member of the Brahmin caste according to the article “The Joshua project” is about 60,481,000 people. That's approximately 4.3 percent of the total Indian population.Nov 25, 2015

The Caste System (Brahmin and Kshatriya) – Religion 100Q: Hinduism Project.

It will take hundreds of years with the current state of progress with reservation

'Inequality Kills': Oxfam Report Indicates Common Man's Plight Knows No End

This report compares the caste and how wealth is distributed in India,

Anisu · Feb 17, 2022

Balajee said: ↑

But in Karnataka and Kashmir the choice is being imposed from above of the dress code . be it by state , educational authorities or religious bigots.
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This should not have happened. It scares me as to what our children are learning from these. We as children grew up with the concept of all religions are equal and we respect all of them. We lived together in the neighbourhood. The latest developements and students being the puppets of the unknown hands are going waybeyond. Its a very sad state to be in.

satchitananda · Feb 17, 2022

Balajee said: ↑

Okay your muslim friends didn't wear Huijab and you didn't wear Bindi. But the issue is about those who wear Hijab. If they have to remove it in the class, why shouldn\t the same rule apply to those who sport bindi, vibhuti or namam?
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What makes you say with certainty that it does not? I went to a convent school, we were not allowed to wear bindi, earring size was specified, no chains, no bangles, no holy thread, no mehndi, nothing. Not complaining, just a statement of facts. If you want to go to a convent, you follow the rules, otherwise go to a school where you don't have these restrictions. They went to schools run by Hindu missionaries, probably.

A school is a place where you want children to rise above their differences - economical, religious ... whatever. Why would anyone want to accentuate religious differences through different ways of dressing?

Besides it is now being shown that this is all an unfortunate fight started by vested political interests and the final agenda is to subjugate women either by forcing them to do stuff against their wishes while convincing them that that is what is their own wish.