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viswa sir, thank you for the great write up.
@jayasala madam thank you for the thought provoking feedback .

After reading this two posts my mind went through a lot of introspection, and many questions araised that needed to be answered.

According to the viswa sirs snippet " I" refers to the soul but not the body and all the relations and worldly pleasures are related to the body but not to the real "I" which is the soul.

According to jaya madam though we know the truth we can't ignore the relations and worldly attachments.

My mind went to a lot of questioner and finally came to some conclusions, i don't know to which extent that is right, but i would like to share it h ere.

spirituality means to know that the "god" is the ultimate, he is the thought he is the act , he is the truth, he is the false , he is every thing.

He is "I" and he is "you". we think that we who decide to be good or bad , but i real we are just the puppets in the hand of the ultimate, whether we chose to be good or to be bad he is the one who decides it . The soul what we call the real "I" is nothing but the god himself.

In bhagvat geeta it is said that i am the culprit and I am the victim. He is the hero and he is the villain. Its our foolishness that we think through our good deeds our soul can be liberated or united with the ultimate. The truth is the soul it self is the god the ultimate.

Knowing the truth and believing it self is the liberation . once we believe it we know that we are just the characters directed by the ulitmate power and we have to do what he decides. We are just "nimithra mathras"

waiting for the further discussion to what extent it is right.

 

Dear Surekha,
We may be just "Nimittha mathras", I agree. But should we not use our discretion when doing something and think if it is right or not? I think we should. Ultimate result we do not know. But we should think.Otherwise everyone would think they are Nimittha matras even if they do wrong knowingly saying they are puppets in the hands of God. So what I feel is that JS madam is right in saying that we can't ignore the relations and worldly attachments (it does not mean Viswamitra is wrong, he is also right)....thinking of a naive person (me).
Syamala

 

Dear @syamala1234 and viswa sir, i think i didnot put my feeling in that correct way .
I didn't mean that we should justify our bad act saying that we are nimmitha matras .

let me try once again to put my feelings correctly.

according to my knowledge spirituality says that every soul which is present in every living being is nothing but the god himself. Once we accept the truth there will be no good or bad, as once we achieve that stage of understanding we understand that "I" and "you" are the same. as we can't think of harming our selves we cant harm others.

there will be no discrimination like poor, rich, intelligent, ignorant. and there will not be any scope for the worldly emotions like love, hate, anger, fear.......etc.

we cant be angry with our right hand for hurting our left hand while cutting vegies, we cant be happy or feel gratitude for the right hand which helped to tie a bandage to the left hand. as we know that both hands are ours . like wise we (all the living beings) are same having common soul which is nothing but the god himself.

If we are helping others means in a way we are helping ourselves, if we are harming others means we are harming ourselves.

I think this time i have put forth all my feelings correctly. i don't know how far i have made it clear.

please make further discussion so that i can modify my thoughts.

 

Dear Viswa sir,


You have wonderfully and succinctly put such great knowledge in this snippet . Reading your thoughts makes us contemplate and reading our responses motivates you to contemplate further and come up with more beautiful snippets. Hope this cycle continues and we all keep motivating each other to introspect further and move ahead in our individual spiritual journeys.


This is what i understand from reading various sources. (forgive me if i have misunderstood what i have read or am not making much sense and feel free to correct and guide).


The body as matter ( prakriti) is constantly changing , its purpose is to house the unchangeable soul albeit only temporarily. The cycle of birth and death keeps repeating until we attain liberation. Just like the waves that keep breaking onto the shore , disappear and reappear in continuous cycle but ultimately they are a part of the ocean.


We need to have a desire to seek knowledge.But knowledge is almost useless if not utilised into guided action.To gain proper insight and understanding, knowledge needs to be put into practise.Without alert practise liberation cannot occur.


But we must work our way up in accordance to where we are at currently rather then trying to fit into the ideal way of being straight away. For example, as long as we live under the effect of maya our emotions must be lived on a human level in such a manner that they become purified.


It is natural for us to feel grief if a loved one dies and trying not to grieve only leads to suppression of our true feelings and it is not natural which leads to imbalance and thus not advisable. Whereas for a realised person it would be natural to not grieve as their attachments are completely destroyed through immense acquisition of knowledge and its practise.


What i understand is that while immersed in the sea of samsara, one should keep oneself afloat by holding onto right understanding (which comes through seeking the right knowledge ) and try to swim towards the shore of liberation.


I like the way Adi Sankaracharya has succinctly put in Vivekachudamani that:


The seed of the Samsara tree is ignorance, identification with the body is its shoot, desire is its first leaves, activity its water, the bodily frame its trunk, the vital forces its branches, the faculties its twigs, the senses its flowers, the manifold pains arising from various actions its fruit, and the bird on it is the individual experiencing them.