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Dear dc24,
As we all know, Consumption of Non-vegetarian food definitely attracts bad karmas as per the theory of karma. If possible, its better to avoid harming other souls in any way. Again, these are expounded in vedic scriptures too.

The suffering undergone by a soul while its body is being killed amounts to create a bad karmic account as harming emotionally and physically.
Its like causing a severe karmic crime and is against the laws of nature. Anything committed against the laws of nature will surely be punished.

Dear readers,
The above explanation in response to dc24 like she has already said, is not a personal attack on anyone' food habits, but only a response to her message.

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Thanks to all who answered my query..Sometime in 2014-mid 2015 I went through a very bad patch..in my personal and professional life..I confess to have ill thoughts for those who troubled me..in my anger and frustration I wished that they would not prosper and that they would suffer same way as I suffered etc etc..I'm not in touch with many now, but it seems like they are doing quite well...
I don't purposely trouble anyone and mind my own business, I don't raise my voice against anyone unless they have started the fight first..but how do I make my thoughts pure and stop having bad thoughts about others?

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Dear Needtobestrong,
The scriptures and all the sages like Buddha and Mahavira for ex., advice right thinking, right words and right action as all these attract karmas.

Thinking/intent is given much importance by the sages (than us, as we think only actions weigh more karma than just thoughts) as they attract karmas in a subtle form. They suggest that good thinking is more important and as equal as good actions.

Every thought weak or strong has a vibrational power which rises in the sky and hits some other soul. If your thoughts are very powerful, concentrated and strong, it springs in to action exactly as how you wished.

“As human beings, we are a mixture of physical body and subtle (aura) body. Subtle body is the energy field in terms of thoughts. More negative thoughts deposit negative energy from the subtle body to the physical body. In meditation, we clear our subtle body, that is, we clear our negativity by taking cosmic energy. This aura protects our physical body from every disease. Meditate and get rid of every problem,” -suggestion from a doctor.

They say, whatever you do is your karma that you are creating yourself for your future. If you are helping others, you might receive help. If you are harsh with a person, the circumstances might put you in the same difficult position. So cursing others is just like cursing ourselves. In short, what you do to others is nothing but what you are doing to yourself though it doesnt seem to be so at that moment.

So wrong thinking is like harming the other person as well as your own self.

According to sages, how others treat you is their karma, how you react is yours. And they have all lived a life of example for us to follow. We know Jesus Christ said, when someone slaps you, show the other cheek. Though we might not be ready for all this, since our ego doesnt allow us to show the other cheek, it is always good to remain calm and always be good if you want a better life in the future births.

Please visit webiste dadabhagwan. He is an illuminated soul who attained such an exaltation in the recent times in 1958 I suppose, but has answered queries on karma while he was living (living but detached). You ll get all doubts clarified. Its always better to think good, speak good and act good however the other person treats us if we want to attract good karmas. Atleast we can give a try and see atleast a few times, though it might be difficult for us all who have not killed our ego.

Lastly, for acheiving liberation, the thoughts need to be very very pure. So thinking and intent is of much importance according to the sages.
If you react towards others in a positive manner through thoughts, words and actions, even though they have harmed you emotionally, or through actions, you are surely attracting good karmas.
What they have done to you is their karma. You need not bother about it. The laws of nature will definitely give the right judgement to them at the right time in this birth or in the future births.

Two souls having a give and take account will have to face circumstances accordingly when their karmas fructify. Its like you had a give and take account with that soul and probably he/she is creating a difficult situation for you. That is, what you have done (may be in the past births) has just been rewarded.

In short, treat people the way you want to be treated can be applied for thoughts, words and actions towards others.
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Can you write a post without verbal diarrhea about "rich", "educated", "over educated", "ivy league", "in westernized Indians" and such usual diarrhea. Thanks[/QUOTE

I can't help if it sound like verbal diarrhea to u ???? The facts r not verbal diarrhea to others..if u don't like these words, no need to read the post....
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Can you write a post without verbal diarrhea about "rich", "educated", "over educated", "ivy league", "in westernized Indians" and such usual diarrhea. Thanks
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I can't help if it sounds like verbal diarrhea to u ???? The facts r not verbal diarrhea....if u don't like these words, no need to read the post.... NO NEED TO TAKE OUT YOUR HATE OR JEALOUSY.....i have noticed that u r very sensitive to my posts..whats up with that ?????..

i don't care if u r 1 of the moderators or not in this forum...this is a true story in my extended cousin's family where i was trying to explain that even money can't get rid of sorrows created by bad karma.........i can't help speaking the truth....

i haven't used any nasty word but u seem to be particularly sensitive to my posts......i have been noticing that .........WHATS UP WITH THAT ????????

Even ur words seemed antagonizing in some posts...do u care to look into those or becoz u r 1 of the moderators, the rules don't apply to u ???????........WHATS UP WITH THAT ??

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But please note that if someone curses you out of enviousness/hatred while you're innocent then God will punish them severely and since for parents there's nothing more precious than their kids...so Kids bear the brunt of parent's wrongdoings.
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yes u r completely right...if someone hurts an innocent soul then the curse n karma comes into effect...i guess the universe also doesn't care about evil souls as their curses don't matter...LOL..their big basket of bad karma is going to negate all positives ..

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Thanks to all who answered my query..Sometime in 2014-mid 2015 I went through a very bad patch..in my personal and professional life..I confess to have ill thoughts for those who troubled me..in my anger and frustration I wished that they would not prosper and that they would suffer same way as I suffered etc etc..I'm not in touch with many now, but it seems like they are doing quite well...
I don't purposely trouble anyone and mind my own business, I don't raise my voice against anyone unless they have started the fight first..but how do I make my thoughts pure and stop having bad thoughts about others?
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See they might be doing well now....but wait for a couple of years, u will see Karma's action ...as @dc24 pointed out and as in my real life story, curses n bad karma didn't directly impact the wrong-doers but their progeny so that the wrong-doers felt lot of brunt !!...

if u noticed in my real-life story, my distant cousin had to face same type of misery 2 times--repititive pattern --this is a sign of bad karma/ curse......

.its like if lot of people in family r ill some way or the other, its curse/karma..if someone keeps losing job or doesn't get the fruit of their hard work, its result of bad karma again--because of something that this person did or his parents did.....i used to wonder why it affects progeny but i was told the reason that @dc24 gave which is very logical..

these events didn't happen immediately after the wrong doing but after quite a few years n sadly, affected progeny miserably ...i would say since most were my extended family, i felt sorry for all of them including the widow who was just a distant SIL to me but my extended cousins, were more close to me ......!!..

but as they say, universe/God/karma's wrath doesn't spare anyone --not even the rich and mighty----in God's n universe eyes, every human being is same !!

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Let me also share the story of our elders' family friends...
There was a family in our known circles in which an elderly uncle was hugely tortured by his own son and DIL. Aunty passed away even before her son's marriage. Uncle was very religious and helpful person. Immediately after hus son's marriage, son n DIL started objecting to father's charitable ways, pooja etc.

He wasn't given proper food and his essential medicines were stopped on the grounds that they were expensive and an elderly man can pass away any time.

Son n DIL are both very well educated and earn handsome money but father used to wear old dull clothes.

This continued for many months and eventually due to nonavailability of important medicines, he became very ill. My mother's elder sister and her husband went to meet him. In abject painful condition, he cried a lot and cursed his son and daughter-in-law that may God never give them kids.

After a week or so he passed away. Son never bothered to do after-death rites religiously. Father's death didn't affect him and they continued with their routine life of enjoying...partying etc.

Now..after an year or so, they started to think about planning a family. But despite all efforts, consultation with best doctors...DIL couldn't conceive. She had failed IVF @3times at 3-4 months of conception. After which she developed some problem and her docs told her not to try again as it might put her life in danger.

So after so many years of their marriage and both reproductively healthy during their initial years, they are still childless.

So, we shouldn't hurt anyone consciously and instead should always try to seek blessings of elders, poor and destitute.
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Yes, this is definitely the case of bad karma caused by your uncle's curse as he was an innocent soul who was tormented by his evil son and DIL....

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Dear dc24,

Here is a further explanation for the qualities of non-vegetarian food that I found when googled.

Everything in the universe that has prana or life energy is classified under three main categories viz - satva, raja and tama.
Man and food can also be classified under the same.

Classification of men
Satva - Selfless by nature, lives for the benefit of the society and does not expect rewards or appreciation for the same.
Raja - lives for personal gains and acheivements
Tama - does not have a problem stepping on other's toes even if it meant harm to others

Food is no exception and at a subtle level, it too is made up of the Sattva, Raja and Tama subtle components. The proportions of these subtle components vary depending on the type of food-veg or non veg. Sattva stands for purity and knowledge while Tama denotes ignorance and inertia. Anything that has a higher Sattva component assists our spiritual journey and anything that is Tama predominant has a tendency to diminish or obstruct our spiritual practice.

The reason for the increased Tama in meat after the animal dies is because of the extent of suffering when it is being killed. Also the thoughts of anger and revenge in the animal are far more pronounced as compared to a plant which has a rudimentary mind and intellect. This is the main reason for the increased Tama component.

And plants too experience pain when killed or when parts of it are severed. The comprehension of pain however is less than for animals. This is because the mind and intellect of a plant is rudimentary as compared to that of an animal. However, if a fruit or vegetable is plucked when it is fully ripe or has fallen from a tree, there is relatively no pain to the plant.

When man consumes non vegetarian food, the tama component in the meat induces anger, stress, anxiety, negative energy etc due to the pain experienced by the animal while it was being killed. This leads to more psychological unrest and diseases to pervade easily. Also one is mentally agitated and this leads to harming others intentionally or unintentionally.

Hence satva prominent food is more preferable due to its qualities than tama dominant food.
The above are scientific facts based on research on food and its effects on man by spiritual research organisation.

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Needtobestrong said: ↑

Thanks to all who answered my query..Sometime in 2014-mid 2015 I went through a very bad patch..in my personal and professional life..I confess to have ill thoughts for those who troubled me..in my anger and frustration I wished that they would not prosper and that they would suffer same way as I suffered etc etc..I'm not in touch with many now, but it seems like they are doing quite well...
I don't purposely trouble anyone and mind my own business, I don't raise my voice against anyone unless they have started the fight first..but how do I make my thoughts pure and stop having bad thoughts about others?
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I can understand the tremendous amount of mental and emotional agony you must have gone through.

To enhance and increase your positive karmas, please read and save previous posts wherein various ways have been enunciated.

In kaliyuga, the best way to do is Namasmarana (chanting Lord's names); following in the footsteps of saintly people, exalted gurus, and holy men; serving poor, needy and downtrodden.

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