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  1. dhivyacc

    dhivyacc Silver IL'ite

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    My elder one is 10 years old (5th) and younger one in 1st std( 6yrs)
    am with new set of problems.
    Younger one always beats hits the elder one. He is unusually arrogant but at the same time cries a lot.

    Elder one also cooperative only but because of small ones nature, he hates him to the core and feeling and reacting with heavy anger.

    How to compromise them and set things right...
    elder one comes at 4 and he is waiting for his sibling with good heart but all of sudden the small one comes, he does some cranky things and the fight starts.

    maid comes around 4:30. and i will be around 6.

    for my spouse, this and all not at all a problem.
    simple solution elder one should forgive and sacrifice.
    but he cries during night time saying me that you and appa making me feel more and you both want younger one only. etc etc.

    Basically if both are alone with us, they are the very good role models. but both together then it became tsunami scene.


    the one thing what i feel is i say elder one is good and younger one is bad and cranky notorious.
    my spouse says the opposite/
     
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  2. peet1983

    peet1983 Silver IL'ite

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    All these are things are just matter of time only. As they grows everything will change..kids who fights together in childhood become very close when they grew up. But only thing we needs to cautious, not forgot to convey the message that its wrong if they do something,no matter elder or younger. Everything should be fair between both.
     
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    GeetaKashyap IL Hall of Fame

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    Some fights for attention and assertion of rights is common among siblings. But... how you handle it is crucial and if wrongly handled, it leaves deep scars in their minds forever.

    Younger one needs to be given the message that aggression is not okay and teach him to verbalise his irritations. Like, I am upset because the elder one snatched xyz etc. By your constant messaging/ reminding, he will learn to verbalise better and also identify his feelings. In the long run he will be fine and thank you immensely for this training.

    Forever asking the older one to adjust or sacrifice is unfair. He is at an age where he will internalise all the hurts and colour it as rejections. Give him also the above lesson and talk to him openly about their behaviours and the dilemma it puts you in. He may start understanding you better. Watch out as an elder and stronger of the two, whether he indulges in unnecessary teasing and dominating. This can irritate the weaker younger one and make him unduly aggressive or sissy.

    Parenting is the toughest job in this world. Try your best to be fair always to both of them.

    All the best.
     
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    Tamrakshar Platinum IL'ite

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    You have to be evenhanded in dealing with them. Even a perception of partiality can create a deep wound in the psyche of the victim, in your case who seems to be the elder one. Generally, the younger ones are more attention-grabber and naughty. If both of you show fairness in both affection and admonition, you will leave no scope of disgruntlement to any of them.
     
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    troubledmom Gold IL'ite

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    I have same gap in my kids. First of all this is the ‘golden age ‘ period you are going through. This is the time you will remember the most after they grow up.
    But I agree it didn’t feel so great when I was in the thick of it.

    Basically you have to teach the kids to play together then they will become friends and remain friends

    For that, sit with them when you have time (make time weekly) and make them play a 2 person game so they depend on each other. During the game be fair if lo acts up scold him if older one acts out scold him. Show you are fair and that it is fun to play together

    Give them small chores like tidy up in which they have to help each other and work together. Initially you supervise later let your elder one do it.

    Purchase 2 person games.

    Younger one will need to be coached to play together more than older but he will get it.
     
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    peartree Platinum IL'ite

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    Hi Dhivya

    We had something similar going on in our home, my kids are both girls and are 4 years apart. They are 8 and 3.5 now. The little one used to be a little aggressive, but constant reminders and time-outs that hitting is not acceptable seemed to work. Also checking my older one's behavior (she would quietly provoke the little one into this screaming fit and evnetually hitting), and explaining to both of them to immediately hug or apologize after such an episode seemed to bring these instances down a great deal. Also, in calmer times, when both were playing together, we would have my older daughter read or do fun things with her sister, basically make them spend more time together amd be available to diffuse any situations that might escalate into fighting of any kind.

    We also, instead of just saying my older one has to adjust because she is older, we actually would talk to her, empathize with her and tell her stuff like how the little one can't communicate as well as her, and it is that frustration that manifests into this kind of behavior and how along with us, it is her job also to teach her little sister that certain behaviors are not acceptable and her screaming back or hitting her sister back is not going to teach the little one the correct behavior.

    See if something like this might work. Talk to your older child and make him part of your mission to "set things right with the younger one". Set some boundaries with your little one, like do something fun with the older one and tell the younger one that he can only be part of that fun if he is nice, and is not going to hit.

    This too shall pass!! Apparently, my sister and I used to fight so much as kids, my dad would just helplessly look at us and remark that he would give us each a stick so that we can just keep hitting each other with it!!
     
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    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Nip it in the bud. At 6 years, child is old enough to understand that hitting and beating are not acceptable. Read the 1-2-3 Magic by Dr. Phelan. 1-2-3 Magic: 3-Step Discipline for Calm, Effective, and Happy Parenting: Thomas Phelan: 9781492629887: Amazon.com: Books. Way back when I used the book, it was a single book. Now, there seems to be a whole cottage industry around it with more books,dvd's and an entire website. That one book is sufficient.

    If husband won't help in following the techniques in that book or what you come up with, do it alone. Try to tell him, "if you can't help, at least don't hinder what I'm trying."
     
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    Another point... one of the mistakes we did in dealing with this issue was when the kids were fighting with the little one hitting and my older one reacting back - by screaming back at her sister or just patting her (older one never hit the little one), in an attempt to diffuse the situation, we would always "advice" the older one because we thought she was the one capable of understanding and we would tell her that since she was older, she is the one that should adjust. We realized soon enough that it wasn't correct. She was just older and not really old, and we were placing unfair burden on her to suck up and deal with bad behavior from her little sister. We stopped consciously doing that.
     
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    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    This actually continues into their teen years also. When the gap between them is a bit more, like 3 or 5+ years, the older child occasionally ends up being part of such mission.

    One such mission years ago involved getting the younger one to stop trashing the older one's room. Younger one used to go to her room, take out all clothes from closet and dump on floor. For some real or perceived wrong. Older one has kind of thick skin and unflappable demeanor. The mess didn't bother her, she simply tiptoed around it. : ) Finally when younger one realized that mom only was putting back clothes, and it made mom mad, he wisened up.

    It is a little tricky thing also though. When the older one needs to be told something she is doing is not good, then, having been together on that earlier mission can weaken parent's position. : )

    Yep, it passes. All too soon. Cute cards they put up on each other's doors, or on own door, "Do not trash", "Do not enter.." are loving memories now. One card was so cute, the painter said he will leave it on the door. : ) Still is there. Paint was done around it. : )

    It does pass. And comes to a point where younger one trusts older one's opinion more at times. Like, in school matters, as older one has been through those grades already!
     
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    Be fair to both. My younger one used to create drama and blames the elder one. I used to scold the elder one for all these troubles. One day I saw exactly what happened. So asked both in a calm and asserting manner what happened. Came to know that the younger one started it ans she is the one mostly do it. She agreed. So I set the rules.

    If they have any complaint and if they cannot solve, come to us. No one has any right beat or physically attack anyone. After the trials by me, they get a punishment ( like time out, ban from screen time or taking anything they like etc... ). so it worked well. So set rules equally for them in an assertive way. Also allow them to tell exactly what happened and why they get punishment for bad behavior. Sometimes they don't have any clue why we punish them. I even force them to say sorry if needed. I think its important to realize their own mistakes and learn from it.
     
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