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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by anika987, Nov 30, 2019.

  1. armummy

    armummy Platinum IL'ite

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    Here too these were not proved guilty yet ... simple logic ... and no one is opposing that these perverts if proven guilty should be given death sentence ...

    imagine some one did encounter of the terror accused ....you would not be talking about her torture ....

    you can put in any number of cases here and any political party ... go ahead and do it .. I pointed out the ones that are recent And more henIous and where rapists were supported
     
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  2. armummy

    armummy Platinum IL'ite

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    no body has solutions , encounters also we do not know will prove as deterrent .. the same police dgp had another encounter some years back on acid attack case and widely appreciated ....

    it is the society as such need to change , stop sending criminal case accused into parliament , suspend the rape accused till they are relieved of charges ... sensitize children in schools ... in slums , in pubs , in offices , in colleges ... seek accountability from
    Police , from govt... Hyderabad had so many she teams but the victims family went to complain they again faced a wall .. so police reforms are also needed ...

    GOVT has nirbhayas convicts in jail ... they can speed up the process and hang them quickly at least now ... you can hear her father where he points out the issues , govts can take those and atleast get them to the death rope faster ...

    social media people who are writing **** on rapes and people who casually issue rape threats should be picked up and taken to task ....

    Change depiction of women and men in movies ... which romanticizes stalking as love

    Until society changes we can only be cautious , no one can guarantee our safety ... I would rather get the girls some Martial arts training than depend on anyone ...
     
  3. Gauri03

    Gauri03 Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    You have read more than what was intended in that statement. It wasn't personally directed at anyone. It was a general statement about all of us. The 'you' is a general you, as we often use while speaking of society as a collective. My point was that 'swift justice' is great until it hits close to home. We are all safer when the law is allowed to take its course. As to the examples you listed I couldn't agree more — they exemplify due process which is precisely what should happen in an evolved democracy.
     
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  4. Laks09

    Laks09 Staff Member Finest Post Winner

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    Lately I've been thinking about some stuff. Thought it will be good chatting with you. Do we think equally about all people, regardless of gender?

    I have a friend who came and "adjusted" my DD's blouse(she was a middle schooler back then) and told her we need to be careful about our wardrobes. Her sons of the same age were right there. I didn't see her talking to them publicly about not looking. She then proceeded to explain to me that she teaches her boys also to "respect" girls and to not gawk. That happens privately but she decided that doing the top pulling can happen in front of everyone.

    I have a friend who can have open conversations about sex and consent with her daughter but hesitates to talk to the son about it because it's embarrassing. For a parent, when it's okay to talk to a daughter about safety, date rape drugs, condoms, IUDs before college, going to gynec and choosing these options, it became very hard to talk to her son about ongoing consent. I had to send her the tea video from youtube for consent. She never spoke to me about it afterwards. All I heard until then was how her son would go to college and get caught in a false accusation because it happens on campuses all the time. I wonder if they happen more than date rapes/true accusations.

    This GF and I were catching up after a long time. She told me about her bro's terrible marriage. How the girl was so career minded, we told her it's ok to not have babies for a few years. We were supportive of her decision to go to work. We were not pushing her to do anything around the house and yet despite all these allowances we gave her she's too damn independent. Did the brother get pushed to do anything around the house? No, his matter is different. Having babies is the couple's decision alone, where does "we supported them not to have babies" even come into the picture. PILs are okay with modern day DILs and will give "permission" for whatever she wants to do with her life and career. The son of course is free to do as he always has.

    This movie - Kabir Singh came out recently. I'm not sure what your thoughts are on it. I've met very few people who don't go ga ga over "Arjun Reddy" the Telugu version or "Kabir Singh" the Hindi version. The man in question, walks into a class room and basically tells all present that she is his and threatens the guys in class, all along the girl keeps quite. She didn't have too much to say or act in the movie. He did it all. Oh and he walks into class on another instance and decides to drag her out to "spend time" with her. He has all sorts of behaviors and tantrums and in the end that's all ok because he really truly loved her. So he misbehaved, said sorry, reformed, got together with her and everyone loved the movie. I'm yet to meet a woman in person who didn't like this movie. I love Shahid, he's a great actor. He needs to get many roles for his talent. He's always managed to carry the role and be the hero! That movie was completely wrong. Yet, women in my circles have called me a crazy feminist for thinking this is wrong. He loves her "sooooo muuuuch" and that's why he did that marking thing. Maybe this review says it better. How many young girls watched that and saw their mother's reactions and learned from that?

    This movie section 375 is doing the rounds. The timing is apt, the MeToo movement did it rounds in bollywood. There were multiple accusations made by women against Alok Nath. I believe this was the best time to make a movie about the innocent movie maker. To top it off, Akshaye who acted really well as the defense lawyer, does such a good job of making the audience feel that he is right and the lady defense lawyer is wrong right from the start. I love Akshaye, he needs to act a lot more. Such a versatile actor! And he does an amazing job of showing us how right he is and how wrong the other lawyer is. And the protests have been of course shown in bad light. Everyone seems to be giving favorable reviews about this movie. In a country where these protests are a form of making some changes, the fact that the protestors are shown as a mob wasn't necessary. People protested for Nirbhaya and Ummao victims. Nobody protested for the random guy accused of sexual misconduct. I found this article that articulates some of my thoughts better. Are there men who get falsely accused? Yes. Can the movies focus on those actual cases?

    Movies maybe just that, made for entertainment and completely fictional. Do we forget about these movies when we step out of theaters? Everything seen and heard is not erased.

    On the forums, I know I've done this. We make it sound like the woman herself is responsible for being equal. From day one you should have your own money and be independent. It's completely up to the lady to work hard on getting her equal right. Who is talking to the men? Is someone telling them to be equal from the start? Women have to work and earn to gain respect and equal footing in marriages. We have to do more to be equal. Work hard to be "given" the rights that is ours in the first place.

    I've told my cousins in the area to beware of the driver/car cleaning people/milk delivery guy, anyone who comes to deliver food/packages from stores etc. I've not told them to be careful about the boss or the coworkers or the men in the extended family. I've made it their problem to ensure they are safe and also fanned a few flames. There are decent working class men everywhere and there are perps everywhere but for now, its the drivers that are scaring me the most.

    I've also told them the following - You don't open the door and you make sure you are not on a bike alone after dark. You stay safe. It's okay to be safe than sorry. I will track their locations and pry on their privacy but that's okay because I want to know where they are after work and when they get home. I don't track my guy cousins or even care where they go and what they do.
    What other choice do we have? Until there is a monumental change we have to teach our girls to stay safe, our women to fight it out and work hard to level this playing field.

    Bahut likh liya. Got to go, nice seeing you around Satchi!
     
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    Laks09 Staff Member Finest Post Winner

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    I'm sorry, I thought you were referring to posters posting in appreciation of the encounter. My bad.I truly apologize for the mix up.

    Absolutely. I completely agree.

    In this case, hopefully, the parents will get closure of some kind. The other two moms who have come forward with statements - nirbhaya's mom and soumya's mom - the long legal troubles and the never ending prodding of their daughter's deaths - it broke me a little. I wish this mom doesn't have to deal with that.

    Even throwing Aaron Persky out of his coaching job by the over zealous parents? After he had paid the price of his oversight. What he did wasn't illegal. He was perfectly within his rights to hand out that sentence. Yet, the popular sentiment drove his not getting re-elcted and losing his coaching job. (Like Akshaye says in his famous movie I've mentioned above, a rape accused never recovers even if he is acquitted by law).

    As for those cops, they will get away easily. Now, that they have done this, their shoddy interaction with the parents when they went to complain there is going to be forgiven entirely.
     
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  6. Gauri03

    Gauri03 Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Don't apologize. When I saw your post I thought here goes another one, yelling at me for no frickin' reason. : P Just had an argument on this subject with mom this morning. :facepalm:

    Aaron Persky is in a moral gray zone for me. The recall was completely justified. The people have a right to recall a judge they do not trust. But the man should be allowed a life and a living. Even convicted criminals deserve that. However he demonstrated a clear gender and class bias. Should a man who believes that a promising white young man has more intrinsic worth than an intoxicated woman be allowed to coach other young women? What would he teach them? Sports coaches teach more than the sport. They are mentors and part of their job is to instill self worth. I feel like I'd be more outraged had he been fired from a job not related to mentoring young girls.

    What happened in India is a travesty. It is not justice. The Telangana guys were nobodies so their deaths will go unquestioned. One of the accused in the Unnao case is a BJP MLA. Another has a surname Trivedi. That's a powerful surname to have in UP. You think the police will shoot them in the middle of the night? Instead they picked up the victim's uncle who organized a protest and imprisoned him over made up charges. What happens if next time a powerful, rich person commits a rape, then has the police pick up some sucker with a lower caste surname or a Mohammad or Ali in his name, and has them shot in the name of justice? How do we know that didn't happen here? If Epstein can get murdered in a max security prison in America, while under suicide watch, can you imagine what is possible in India?

    Once the public sanctions such behavior the police are no longer accountable to anyone, and that would be a dangerous world to live in. I would say the police robbed the victim of true justice. She was tortured, brutalized and went through unimaginable suffering before she died. The police gifted these men an instantaneous end without pain or suffering. Had they gone to jail they would have truly paid for their crimes. Prisoners have a hierarchy, and rapists and pedophiles are at the bottom of it. They are raped, beaten, tortured on a daily basis. Many of them commit suicide because they can't handle the daily brutalization. They will never have to face the victim's family, look them in the eye, stand in a courtroom, and hear a judge hand out their just punishments. Never sit in a dark cell and contemplate their crime. Instead they were given deliverance even before they had begun to face the consequences of their actions. That to me is justice denied.

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  7. satchitananda

    satchitananda Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Hi Laks,

    Nice to see you too. Totally agree with every point you have mentioned. However, how long do you think it would take for all that to happen? We always stand up and ask 'why always shift the onus of being safe on women?' And now under this situation, where men have been faced the brunt, we suddenly feel guilty at the way it was done and feel justice needs to take its course as it should in all civilized countries. Yes, it should. But a stark reality - much as I love my country, it isn't. So in effect what we are saying is the till we have better laws, a better and quicker judiciary and an efficient police system, the onus to stay safe is still on the woman. So basically nothing changes. Then why the outrage? Left to myself, I would want the Unnao rapists and his accomplices too given the most brutal justice. A rich or powerful rapist is no better than a poor one. Till then we will have to keep telling our daughters to be home by 7pm, not to go anywhere alone, what kind of dresses they should wear etc. And then if anything goes wrong, it is still going to be they and us as the parent generation who will be judged for 'stepping out of line'.

    Hi Gauri,

    I 100% agree with you on the bit about the rapists having got away too lightly and too quickly. Unless they were to endure all the physical and mental trauma as their victim, justice is not really done.
     
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    No questions about all the changes that need to happen. However, the girls still need to get safely to that martial arts training class and back everyday until they can handle a bunch of goons. So they are safer in the house than stepping out. If they go to school, there are enough pedophile teachers waiting to molest the girl students. Until a few of them are victimized, they might be too scared to even come out and tell their parents about what is happening. Till then they can continue to be victimized.

    Why am I not surprised then at people who do not want daughters, at people who choose to abort their female children even before they are born? Basically we live in a sick society and unfortunately our sensitivities make us baulk at the idea of changing things even if it means a certain amount of risks - of some innocent men facing the brunt. Personally, I view this kind of incident as the bitter medicine that is required to change our so-called 'civilized' society into a truly civilized one. If anything, the rapists escaped too easily. They did not really face the consequences of their actions. The ones who did were the girl, her family and the rapists' own families.
     
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    Don't know if it's been said and discussed here already, I haven't catched up with the pages... Why aren't the police not questioned about their incompetence? Shouldn't they be suspended/dismissed for their carelessness, because you see not one but four accused tried to "escape the custody"! :buenrollo:

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    Yep, without legally establishing crime and the punishment it's still justice denied only. "Justice loses it's character when it becomes revenge" - Chief Justice of India referring to the Telegana case, I couldn't agree more.
     
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