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Will The Central Government Ever Stop Pushing Hindi On Tamil Nadu ?

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Minion, Oct 18, 2020.

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  1. Oct 24, 2020 #221
    shravs3

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    The origin is that in the late 1980s a NASA engineer on his own, and not as part of any official NASA study, wrote a paper[1] which said that because of the extremely strict grammar rules of Sanskrit, and the relative ease with which parts of speech can be identified in the language, it is a suitable language for Natural Language Processing, i.e. it is easy for computers to understand Sanskrit, because of it's strictness. All this paper finally said is that we can use Sanskrit than a formally defined language (or in other words Sanskrit is a language in human use, that is sufficiently formally defined).

    This then got picked up by the "Sanskrit is the greatest language" section of the Indian population, and started being cited out of context and led to a few misconceptions including

    1. Sanskrit is being taught at NASA.
    2. NASA programs in Sanskrit.
    3. Algorithms are most efficient in Sanskrit.
    4. We can get true AI if we program in Sanskrit
    The above are among the more sensible ones.

    Also it is contended that even if Sanskrit somehow undergoes a revival and is more popular, many linguists believe any language being popular will reduce the strictness of the language, and hence take away that benefit from Sanskrit. In the past it was not an issue because Sanskrit was more of a formal language restricted to the higher caste and the learning of scriptures, and not the transactional language the common people spoke.

    Is Sanskrit compulsory in NASA for AI (Artificial Intelligence) research? - Quora
     
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  4. Oct 24, 2020 #224
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    With the same logic if tamilians can eat parathas, kulchas,butter chicken, Lassi, then they should also speak Punjabi.
    Let's not bring food into language learning.
     
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    Hindi has penetrated into lives of SI more than anyone can imagine . TN govt is not making Tamil compulsory in schools. If Hindi is forced in schools people will easily omit teaching Tamil to the kids. Already kids hardly speak Tamil in Chennai and it’s mostly spoken only outside of Chennai. If this situation continues Tamil will not be learnt for reading/ writing. That’s the main worry here. Center should not interfere in languages offered in schools. If Hindi migrant population want to teach hindi to their children they can find some schools who would offer them and let Tamilians learn Tamil.

    BTW ittu - Avi - pour & steam is ituavi which became idly. Let’s not nitpick on origin of food names but stick with original issue here. CG should not force Hindi in SI schools, end of story.
     
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    It is food that brings people together.

    Why not learn Punjabi also? I got relatives that speak Hindi, Punjabi, Tamil, Telegu.

    There are so many beautiful languages and cultures within India. One hasn't lived till they experienced it all!
     
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    she has ur thoughts, op:blush:
     
    chanchitra, Oct 25, 2020
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    The concern about killing off languages in a generation or two is very real in India. When enough MP's from non-Hindi northern states of India can be convinced to amend the Constitution of India, the "official" can be modified to "national".
    Amendment of the Constitution of India - Wikipedia

    Hindi as a third language, and in common use in Metro cities in non-Hindi states, inter-state migrations of populations (especially in the labour class) will all erode the strength of the local language.
    State governments have to offer incentives for the students to study higher literature in their own languages in school. It is more difficult to score marks in one's native language, than in a foreign language (like French or Hindi): the grading policy has to normalize the degree of difficulty.
    Politicos already see local language support in schools as the seeds they put down in order to be able to stoke the nativist sentiments for electoral advantage. However, this support has to happen without inflicting economic disadvantage on the voting bloc.
     
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    She explained the problem beautifully.
     
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    Tamil Nadu, Karnataka, Maharashtra, Delhi and Bengal have engaged most with #StopHindiImposition. Delhi is ranked just below TN in the frequency of invoking the hashtag !! The following video explains.

    10 Graphics Reveal the Online Resistance to Hindi Imposition Row

    Singapore has bilingual education [English medium, with Mother-tongue as a subject] with Mandarin(72% of population), Malay(13%) and Tamil (9%). The other significant languages in the country (cantonese, hokkien, punjabi, thai, vietnamese, bengali) are not "official". Very often one might see a punjabi child in a Mandarin class, rather than in a Tamil class. The home language for many young parents in Singapore is English -- spoken with an accent and cadence that might even sound like their mother tongue, but it is English. This is happening to metro-dwelling Indian parents with college degrees and professional white collar jobs. They speak English at home to their children who go to English medium schools.

    I thought of the Singapore situation of non-Tamil Indians, as well as the Indians resident in the Delhi area. These populations tend to be Cosmopolitan and understand the injustice of imposing a foreign language on a culture. That explains the hashtag-StopHindiImposition from Delhi.
     
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