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Religion Is Unfair To Women.

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  1. HariLakhera

    HariLakhera Platinum IL'ite

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    RELIGION IS UNFAIR TO WOMEN
    On the one hand, शास्त्र tell us

    A. Manusmiriti

    यत्रनार्यस्तुपूज्यन्तेरमन्तेतत्रदेवताः।
    यत्रैतास्तुनपूज्यन्तेसर्वास्तत्राफलाःक्रियाः।।५६।।मनुस्मृति

    "yatra naryastu pujyante, ramante tatra devata" (The land where women are worshipped is the abode of Gods and Goddesses. Our Goddess of education is Saraswathi, Goddess of wealth is Lakshmi, and Goddess of Power is Durga. Names of Lord Rama and Lord Krishna are prefixed with the च of their consorts, Sita and Radha.

    B. Ramanaya

    1.
    बालकाण्डदो-५७

    सतींह्रिदयंअनुमानकियसबुजानेउसर्बग्य।
    कीन्हकपटमैंशंभुसननारिसहजजड़अग्य।।

    2. बालकाण्डदो-५७

    सतींह्रिदयंअनुमानकियसबुजानेउसर्बग्य।
    कीन्हकपटमैंशंभुसननारिसहजजड़अग्य।।

    3. २४०बालकांड

    कहिम्रिदुबचनबिनीततिन्हबैठारेनरनारि।
    उत्तममध्यमनीचलघुनिजनिजथलअनुहारि।।



    4. सीताश्वयंवर- सीताकीकोईसलाहनहीं

    5. परशुरामपिताकेकहनेपरमाँकोमारदेतेहैं

    6. बालकाण्डसीताकीविदाईपरमाँकहतीहै
    तुलसीससीलुसनेहुलखिनिजकिंकरीकरिमानबी

    (स्त्रीकास्थान- दासी)

    7. अयोध्याकांडदोहा१६१

    ''हंसबंसुदसरथुजनकुरामलखनसेभाइ।
    जननीतूँजननीभईबिधिसनकछुनबसाइ।।

    (भरत ने माता कैकेई को धिक्कारते हुए कहा)

    8.सुंदरकांड समुद्र का राम से निवेदन

    ढोलगँवारशुद्रपशुनारी, येसबताड़नकेअधिकारी

    9.
    And here is how Sabari describes herself while showing her gratitude to Lord Rama:
    “Adham se adham adham ati Mari, tinha mah main mati mand adhari”---Ram Cahrit Manas- Aranya kand.

    (Means: Woman is at the lowest of creation and on top of that I am stupid and rudderless)

    10. And this is how Ravana describes women:

    “Avgun aath sada Ur rahain, sahas, anrit, chapalta, maya, bhaya, avivek, asauch, adaya”---Ram Charit Manas -Lanka kand

    ( Ravana to His wife Mandodari)

    (Means: A woman has eight vices namely: 1. Indiscrete. 2. Liar 3. Freckle 4. Deceit. 5. Coward. 6. Foolish. 7. Impure. 8. Unkind)

    11.

    Also in Geetha 9.32

    माँहिपार्थव्यपाश्रित्ययेअ्पिस्यु: पापयोनय:।

    स्त्रियोवैश्यास्तथाशूद्रास्तेअ्पियांतिपरांगतिम्।।

    (here is how a woman is equated with Vaishya (prostitute) and Sudras (Outcasts and is considered sinful birth.)

    It goes:

    “For taking refuge in me, they also who, O Arjuna, may be of a sinful birth –woman, vaishayas as well as sudras—attain the Supreme Goal”

    B.
    1.औरदूसरीतरफवेथींजिनकेकहनेपरतुलसीदासरामभक्तबनेऔरकालिदासमहाकवि

    It is said that but for his wife, रत्नावली Tulsi Das would never have gained the wisdom to write such a beautiful poetic description of Rama’s life “Ram Charitra Manas”. He was passionately in love with her and on one dreadful night crossed the flooded river at the cost of his life. His wife was devastated and said,

    हाड़माँसकोदेहमम, तापरजितनीप्रीति।तिसुआधोजोरामप्रति, अवसिमिटहिभवभीति।।

    “If you would develop for Lord Rama even half of the love that you have for my filthy body, you would certainly cross the ocean of Samsara and attain immortality and eternal bliss”.

    Kalidas, the famous Sanskrit scholar, Dramatis, and poet also had blessings from his wife।विद्योतमा in the form of rebuke and humiliation for his lack of education.

    कपाटमउद्धाट्यसुंदरी - दरवाज़ाखोलोसुंदरी
    अस्तिकश्चिद्वाग्विशेष: कोईविद्वानलगताहै

    C.
    For centuries women have been degraded at every walk of life. The situation is not any better still today in some of the communities.

    Also, the situation is not any better in Islam or Christianity. Women are not permitted to become Maulvies or Pastors as far as I know.

    Despite all this degradation and indifference, women have survived and surpassed men in many fields of excellence.

    The question still is why our religious books are biased against women and whether should not we ask for deleting these verses from these books.


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    We don't follow manusmriti anymore.
    These are old scriptures which don't make any sense in today's world
     
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    That's encouraging. However, old scriptures are alive and kicking. True some old rituals have given way to new logical explanations but in some orthodox families, women are still banned to enter the kitchen area during their monthly periods. Child marriages are still in vogue.
     
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    True.
    Halala, triple talaq, compulsory wearing of Abaya is cruel to women.
    Dowry system still exists.
     
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    You are very right. I have tried to say the same in part C. Some Muslim countries have done away with Burka, and have given driving licenses to ladies and by and by situations are improving.
    It took 144 (1776-1920) years, for the most modern country, the United States, to give women voting rights.
    The point is, are we improving? The answer is slowly.
     
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    True. All religions are unfair to women.
    The improvements are slow.

    Christianity gives a better status to women comparatively.
    But the Christian community in India is not the same as western world.
    Heavy dowry system exists in TN/kerala.
     
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    Frankly speaking, people did convert but continued with their age-old traditions. Almost all of the Muslims and Christians in India are just converts.
     
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    No. Churches in India are very strict. Highly patriarchal.
    Hinduism is not strict. No one is forced to go to temple every Sunday.
    Most Christians are just converts.

    Nope, muslims in India are not converts.
    Some of them who converted had to change to Muslim name and totally let go of Hindu practices.
    Jodha Bai. The rajput wife of Akbar , her name after marriage was mariam uz zamani.
    More regressive practices for women exist in Islamic scriptures.A women cannot go out without a male companion even today in some countries

    She is forced to cover from head to toe.
    Girls not allowed to study in proper schools.
     
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    women are not allowed to worship in a mosque.
     
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    As far as I know, no one is forced to go to church every Sunday, though it is expected. A good percentage of Christians do not go to Church.

    "According to a 2021 survey, 31 percent of Americans never attend church or synagogue, compared to 22 percent of Americans who attend every week."

    Similarly not every Muslim does five times Namaz every day and goes to Masjid every Friday.
    And no one is punished for that.

    Situations are improving for women in every religion, mainly because of education and financial independence.
     
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