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Mind Over Matter: The Meditation Club

Discussion in 'Education & Personal Growth' started by Gauri03, Feb 14, 2018.

  1. Viswamitra

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    @vidhyalakshmid,

    We are always learning from the teachings of the saints. Now, even western authors are quoting text from scripture and writing excellent books.
     
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    Actually I meant that mind is an instrument through which the real I is refelcted ....which is real, mirror, refelction or the seer who sees the reflection through the mirror? But without the mirror or the reflection which flaunts itself as the real , how can we interact here....:cheer::yum:..?
     
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    Those who believe in eastern philosophy are deep in their belief that we are not this body, mind and intellect and we are the supreme being (We are divine having human experience and human beings having divine experience). Conceptually, it is easy to understand but difficult to experience.

    But I am here not to emphasize on talking about who we really are but to mention the importance of the body, mind and intellect. The scriptures describe the Body, Mind and Intellect as Shetra ("Field" where the manifestation of the Universal Absolute is experienced). Shetra also has a meaning "holy". It also describes the divine existence that resides inside as Shetrajna (One who resides in the field).

    Even though the scriptures describe we are not the body, mind and intellect, it also describes the importance of them. When death occurs, the divine existence leaves the body, mind and intellect with all its encryption and makes no further progress until it gets another body, mind and intellect. While it is important to understand we are not separate from the divine existence inside of us, it is also important to understand to keep the body, mind and intellect healthy to experience the divinity in us. That is why Meditation, Yoga, Recitation, Service, Introspection, etc. play an important role in our growth and development.

    Abusing the body, mind and intellect is equivalent of worshiping the idol everyday while keeping the Temple shabby.
     
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    Well said Viswamitra,

    Eastern philosophy is a wonderful one ,esp. our entire nation though with so much diversity is one because of that. The highest philosophy has divided the order of reality into three ...paramarthikam, (quest for Atman), pradhibasikam (the experience of dream)& vyavaharikam..(the day to day life during our waking hours). Without a healthy body and mind as instruments how can we pursue paramarthikam even if we want to? Iwould like to share a story here from the Parables of Sri Ramakrishna....
    "A raja was once taught by his Guru the sacred doctrine of Advaita, which declares that the whole universe is Brahman. The king was very much pleased with this doctrine. Going in, he said to his queen: "There is no distinction between the queen and the queen's maid servant. So the maid-servant shall be my queen henceforth." The queen was thunderstruck at this mad proposal of her lord. She sent for the Guru and complained to him in a piteous tone, "Sir, look at the pernicious result of your teachings," and told him what had occurred. The Guru consoled the queen and said, "When you serve dinner to the king today, have a potful of cow-dung also served along with the dish of rice." At dinner time the Guru and the king sat down together to eat. Who could imagine the rage of the king when he saw a dish of cow-dung served for his meal. The Guru, seeing this, calmly interrogated: "Your Highness, you are well versed in the knowledge of Advaita. Why do you then see any distinction between the dung and rice?" The king became exasperated and exclaimed, "You who Tales and Parables of Sri Ramakrishna 316 pride yourself to be such a great Advaitin, eat this dung if you can." The Guru said, "Very well," and at once changed himself to a swine and devoured the cow-dung with great gusto and afterwards again assumed his human shape. The king became so ashamed that he never made again his mad proposal to the queen. "...:grinning:

    "Abusing the body, mind and intellect is equivalent of worshiping the idol everyday while keeping the Temple shabby." You said it...:clap2:.Though there are vows of inflicting suffering upon oneself due to belief is prevalent in eastern as well as western philosophies too.
     
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    Not at all surprised, found it interesting nevertheless. The perpetual issues of humanity. I find it heartening that we are not alone and it always almost comes down to our inner world!

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    Source: How did our ancestors avoid distractions?
     
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    Dear Sabitha,

    Microdosing on Psychedelics appears to be still under research by scientists. Many individuals have shared their personal experiences in public domain how they overcame their most difficult mental or psychological trigger through a set of Microdosing to rewire their brain from past difficult experiences.

    It remains under wrap primarily because it is not socially and politically acceptable. Those natural remedies have been tested even by Aghoris walking the forests to focus their attention on worshiping Shiva. Pharmaceutical industry has a vested interest in keeping the natural remedies far away and inaccessible to common men and women.

    In simple terms, physical and mental hacking existed for a fairly long period of time even before election interference through misinformation took place! :grin:
     
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    "In simple terms, physical and mental hacking existed for a fairly long period of time even before election interference through misinformation took place! "
    Yes of course, it was/had/has been a quest ever since human species found answers to their primary needs of survival. Only now this species is perplexed to find the answer to what actually are those needs. Hence it is always turned outward where everything is happening more and more in variety like a magic show.
     
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    "Those who believe in eastern philosophy are deep in their belief that we are not this body, mind and intellect and we are the supreme being (We are divine having human experience and human beings having divine experience). Conceptually, it is easy to understand but difficult to experience."
    We do experience this everyday of our lives, so says our scriptures.Mandukya Upanishad which is very short and claimed to be only text required to be studied in depth to understand and realize the truth.It explains it all through our everyday experience of waking,dream and deep sleep , which all esp. human beings no doubt experience. First we have to understand what the text says intellectually and then analyse, ponder over it to realize that we cannot 'experience' it. Everything is given to us on the platter readymade, as philosophy, not one but different types to suit different types of human beings...but we have to have faith and it is upto us to make use of them or not.
     
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    Mandukya Upanishad 12 verses on aum — Tripurashakti



    @Kaulputti,

    Here are the links that explains Mandukya Upanishad. The interpretations can run into several pages but the essence of it stands tall. We keep traveling from waking state to dreaming state to deep sleep state (Shusupti). We can realize the fourth state (Turiya) only when we break this cycle and inquire into the Self. When we seek it with all our energy renouncing three states, one realizes that silent Self (inseparable AUM).

    Vibration of the body is known as waking state or state of consciousness experiencing the outer world and the one that encrypts our outer world experiences. Vibration of the mind is known as dreaming state or state of unconscious visualization experiencing the inner world and encrypts the inner world experiences. Vibration of the intellect is known as deep sleep state or state of unconscious realization that enjoys Self but don't encrypt anything. The fourth state is conscious realization of the Self which encrypts the Truth.
     
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    I have always wanted to read the Mandukya Upanishad especially since it has only 12 verses which supposedly encompass all the knowledge needed for attaining moksha. Just not sure which interpretations to trust. The ones that rely too much on esoteric language about self-inquiry and unconscious states lose me right away. Would be nice to find a truly accessible treatise or translation.
     
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