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Is Something Sign From God Or Wishful Thinking

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@SuiDhaaga,

Every time my son accompanies me to a Temple anywhere in India, Nadaswaram used to play as though welcoming him into the Temple. I used to feel this is Almighty's Will to welcome him. Once I took my son to Shirdi from Pune and it was pouring rain. The rain stopped exactly when we reached the Temple. An old man dressed like Baba came out quickly and kissed my son and said something in Marati which I didn't understand. After that he dropped him down to the floor and asked my wife and I to make him walk inside the Temple. This I consider as the Will of the Lord to make him walk in the Temple.

3 years ago, we were visiting Annapurani Temple in Karnataka. We were late as we lost the way despite many people telling us that the Temple will be closed at 2 p.m. By way of miracle and direction from an old lady, we reached at 1:50 p.m. to the Temple. We rushed inside and my wife was seated and chanting Lalitha Sahasranamam and asked me to pay for Annadhana in the Temple. Within a few minutes, a priest came and took us inside the Sanctum Sanctorum, gave Turmeric Rice in my hand and asked me to recite something. We just finished that ritual and the priest gave me a shalve which is normallhy given for the VIPs. Till today, I don't understand how these things happened. It seems no one should leave the Temple without eating and unfortunately, we didn't have time to eat as we were late. While leaving the Temple, a person from the dining hall came running and gave a Tumbler filled with Payasam and we drank it and left. The Temple closed immediately.

We have a Guru that we meticulously follow and pray to regularly. When my son was doing his Masters degree, one night, he woke me up and asked would I mind if he takes a week's break and go to India and visit this Guru. I was pleasantly surprised and booked his ticket to go to India. My parents-in-law took him to the Guru. He gave a letter to this Guru which He gracefully received. My son returned home safely. Within 3 months, this Guru died. What a great blessing for my son!

I have many instances to narrate and I am restricting it to you. I get signs all the time from either from the nature or from someone else.
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It's more like signs of nature that you are not even looking for, rather than things you strongly desire.

I had to re-read your first paragraph few times. Only then I realized you were talking about your son as a Baby, not someone doing Masters, LOL.

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I think.you missed giving reply to my post or nothing to reply

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It is not your fault and I didn't communicate right that he was a baby at that time. Yes. Mostly, it is nature responding to the situation I was talking about. There are some instances that were triggered from my strong desire. For example, I took a vow to send my son for education in the United States. Our idea at that time is to save money to send him to the US for higher education. That vow was taken in 1988, year in which he was born. 7 years later, my wife suggested that I should ask my CEO for an opportunity to work in the US which I did. Somehow, I believed that it would materialize soon. He got me a L1A visa (multi-national executive visa) within 3 months and I migrated to the US in 1995 on Deepavali Day. Some of our desires materialize like that if our Sankalpa is strong.

Note: The secret behind such Sankalpa materializing is that it should not be specific to a person or to happen in a particular way we think it should happen. For example, if I pray I would like to marry to this particular person, it may not materialize. If I take a Sankalpa to find a good bride and determined to make an effort to make that marriage work, it may materialize. The prayers will have to be unconditional without any stings attached. It should be with a firm conviction that the higher power knows what is good for me.

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Today I had that experience. Here it is raining heavily.Since I wanted to pluck.fliwers near the temple for God I went to temple. The maid there helped me where there is water. Then I just walked to take pradarshan I was going to slip but Devi saved me.

Earlier when I was in Mumbai after me hip bone fracture I used to get frightened to travel in the train as it is always crowded but when I used to get in a way is made and I was able to get in.

There are other instances which I don't remember
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I cannot imagine a hip bone fracture. That must be traumatic

As it is my Dad wants knee replacement surgery (he is recovering from Heart SUrgery and has the worst constipation of his life)

I'm glad you were saved from slipping. That would be horrible and a painful nightmare! I used to have kneecaps that would pop out and i would cry in horrible pain. My Dad and i are still traumatized from those days. Even when I do knee therapy (it is life-long), i still get triggered.

But I digress..

Right now it is raining cats and dogs with thunderstorms (perhaps the same way it was when you had your experience!). Anyone with bone problems, or past problems going out in this rain has to wear super thick-soled rain boots. I have a pair handy just in case.

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I think.you missed giving reply to my post or nothing to reply
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@iyerviji

Thank you for pointing this out.

I had tunnel vision thinking of love and marriage only, not the rest of God's miracles. i had liked your post but failed to address it properly (esp after you nominated me for finest post).

It was poor manners on my part and I didn't realize.

I apologize

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It is not your fault and I didn't communicate right that he was a baby at that time. Yes. Mostly, it is nature responding to the situation I was talking about. There are some instances that were triggered from my strong desire. For example, I took a vow to send my son for education in the United States. Our idea at that time is to save money to send him to the US for higher education. That vow was taken in 1988, year in which he was born. 7 years later, my wife suggested that I should ask my CEO for an opportunity to work in the US which I did. Somehow, I believed that it would materialize soon. He got me a L1A visa (multi-national executive visa) within 3 months and I migrated to the US in 1995 on Deepavali Day. Some of our desires materialize like that if our Sankalpa is strong.

Note: The secret behind such Sankalpa materializing is that it should not be specific to a person or to happen in a particular way we think it should happen. For example, if I pray I would like to marry to this particular person, it may not materialize. If I take a Sankalpa to find a good bride and determined to make an effort to make that marriage work, it may materialize. The prayers will have to be unconditional without any stings attached. It should be with a firm conviction that the higher power knows what is good for me.
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What exactly is Sankalpa? Is it something like intention?

I like the example you give that Sankalpa should not be specific to a particular person or situation. I guess in my case I was thinking God is giving positive sign about particular person, then I wondered if it was wishful thinking, hence this thread.

I will read, and re-read the below:

If I take a Sankalpa to find a good bride and determined to make an effort to make that marriage work, it may materialize. The prayers will have to be unconditional without any stings attached. It should be with a firm conviction that the higher power knows what is good for me
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What exactly is Sankalpa? Is it something like intention?

I like the example you give that Sankalpa should not be specific to a particular person or situation. I guess in my case I was thinking God is giving positive sign about particular person, then I wondered if it was wishful thinking, hence this thread.

I will read, and re-read the below:
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Yes. It is intention or will to make something happen. If the intention is for a good cause, the environment will support that cause. When we take Sankalpa, we can't narrow it down to a particular person or a way and leave the way it should happen to the higher power.

The mind plays a lot of vagaries including associating a wishful thinking to a sign from a higher power. We have to remember that if the intention is good and unconditional, the higher power will make it happen. All circumstances will line up to make it happen. At that time, we have to express gratitude to the higher power.

In general, we should avoid cursing the nature, people, and even God for something going wrong in our lives even though the human mind likes to blame someone. God is not a broker or agent to make things happen the way we would like it to happen. Even if once we get frustrated and blame God for something, our intention gets tainted with lack of belief in higher power. We just make a request with the best of intention and clean heart and we should believe, if it is for our best, He would make it happen. We love our parents unconditionally whether they scold or appreciate us. The love for God should be something similar to that.

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Viswamitra said: ↑

The mind plays a lot of vagaries including associating a wishful thinking to a sign from a higher power. We have to remember that if the intention is good and unconditional, the higher power will make it happen. All circumstances will line up to make it happen. At that time, we have to express gratitude to the higher power.
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This is a powerful explanation

A very powerful explanation that I had been looking for.

I googled other websites and one Christian website was saying something similar, but it did not strike me. instead it told lot of sad stories about people who attributed their wishful thinking to a higher power only to get hurt.

All we can do is be thankful for what we have!

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Yes. It is intention or will to make something happen. If the intention is for a good cause, the environment will support that cause. When we take Sankalpa, we can't narrow it down to a particular person or a way and leave the way it should happen to the higher power.

The mind plays a lot of vagaries including associating a wishful thinking to a sign from a higher power. We have to remember that if the intention is good and unconditional, the higher power will make it happen. All circumstances will line up to make it happen. At that time, we have to express gratitude to the higher power.

In general, we should avoid cursing the nature, people, and even God for something going wrong in our lives even though the human mind likes to blame someone. God is not a broker or agent to make things happen the way we would like it to happen. Even if once we get frustrated and blame God for something, our intention gets tainted with lack of belief in higher power. We just make a request with the best of intention and clean heart and we should believe, if it is for our best, He would make it happen. We love our parents unconditionally whether they scold or appreciate us. The love for God should be something similar to that.
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thats a beautiful explanation. I think now I have this outlook. Now when I am in 40s. Maybe it started a little late into 30s. This is the ideal, ultimate almost nirvana state.
Age perhaps teaches us this outlook. Or life experiences. Desperation makes us do things or think things which are ultimately not right. It takes a lot of courage, stability of mind and heart to not blame someone or something for our failures. We also need a lot of support system who constantly remind to us that we , each of us, is good enough as we are. Not a husband, not a promotion, not a something else defines us. Societal pressure should'nt make us do things.
Life has no business being fair to you. The universe doesnot owe us anything. That brings us to "Karm kar phal ki aasha mat kar". Maybe that's why we need to pray often to give us the strength and mental ability to think correctly. The prayers should not be set targets for God. But to pray for strength for us.

A very favorite quote of mine I read somewhere "God allows life to be rocky. It is not to crush us into dust but to polish you into a precious gem"

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I feel sad reading this

I am starting to believe that the man should like the woman million times more than she likes him - only then there is a chance for relationship to form and work out.

It seems men like women who are 20, 30 years their junior. Probably to show off, probably for a glorified caregiver. But there are women who are looking for this relationship. Simply for physical security (single women are vulnerable, not to crime but to con-artists), and maturity (lot of young guys act stupid and expect the woman to bring home the bacon and cook it)

I stay away from Dating, Marriage sites. I refuse to go to Bars. Now I just keep myself busy helping my Dad or doing my office work.
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I would suggest go on dates. go to bars. Going out , eating out, ocassional drink are all good things. Just dont expect a "Happily forever" or anything concrete out of them. Share the bills. Its always good have a conversation with someone. Even if there is a good joke coming out of those dates, it is worth it.
Dont deprive yourself of simple things just because a bunch of idiots didnt culminate into marriage. or just because one special person didnt reciprocate your feelings. He might be special but your life and your time is precious too.
quoting F.R.I.E.N.D.S, "He may not be my soulmate but a girl has got to eat...!"

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