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Discussion in 'Snippets of Life (Non-Fiction)' started by arch1209, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. arch1209

    arch1209 Platinum IL'ite

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    Everyone here knows how the world works right, we have all been here long enough to understand the workings of this universe. The universal funda that rules the world is the “grass is always greener on the other side,” for instance women with curly hair crave silky straight hair and women with silky straight hair want the volume and bounce that women with curly hair have.

    Americans love South Asians and their tanned skin tone, but I don’t think there is too much to write about our community’s fascination with “fair & lovely!” Another extension of the grass is greener on the other side is the popular quote the “neighbor’s wife is always prettier and cooks better!”

    But what has recently amused about our human race is our ability to take eons about other people without knowing their reality and their lived in experience. Off-late I have become very conscious of this fact owing to a recent experience I had.

    I have this wonderful neighbor, from an Eastern European country in my neighborhood. In her early 80’s I bump into her often in the elevator or when I am on my way to school, I find her sitting in our lobby chatting with the receptionist. She lives alone and her children visit her regularly. She recently revealed that growing and living in a communist country was very difficult and she loves and appreciates the democracy and freedom the US of A provides her with.

    Her comment on communism piqued my interest, my grandfather was a communist and growing up alongside listening to his stories only made me affirm the belief that communism was “better than socialism or liberalism.” I felt stupid now for making far-reaching comments without having ever lived in a communist society. How can I say or vouch that something is better without ever having experienced it, does not seem like rocket science but a lot of us do this thing sometimes mindfully and sometimes unknowingly. How we like talking on behalf of someone or representing someone’s issues without having ever experienced it or ever having talked to them about it? Patronizing is second nature to many humans.

    In a recent group discussion that I had around women’s issues, a male member in the group made a very poignant comment. “I will never know the fear that women feel when they have to walk home late in the night after a hard day’s work. Or why they hold their bags so close to themselves or the discomfort when someone tries to get frisky with you on the subway or when someone stalks you…”

    He went on to add, “But what I can do is when you talk about it listen to you patiently and believe your story and be a good ally. Rather than questioning the clothing you were wearing or asking why you were out so late, I will stand by you and say that nobody has the right to do any of the above things – that is what a good ally does!”

    I almost had tears in my eyes when I heard that comment, coming from a man. After class I thanked him, and he replied “I cannot talk about a woman’s experiences because I am a man, I will never know how any of it feels so I should just shut up because I might just come across as ignorant. The best I could do is be a good listener…”

    Recently I read a feminist blog wherein the writer argued, “motherhood was oppressive and it was nothing but a ploy to tie women down and govern their bodies.” I wrote back to her asking how many children she had and the answer was “I do not have children and I do not plan on having any.” I sent a mail back saying, “I don’t think then you should be writing about motherhood, because you have not experienced it. Talking about motherhood, when you are not a mother is nothing but disrespectful to all the mothers around the world and discounts their experience.”

    I was so upset by the above comment because I have a very close friend who is a mother of two and I see her struggle each day to give her children the best and not once has she called it oppressive rather she calls it spiritual. I see it as an insult to my own mother’s experience!

    I have a personal gripe against people who portray a particular religion as being oppressive to women, because in my own opinion all religions have their share of issues so nobody gets a pass.

    My own family does this at times and it makes me nothing but M.A.D! Once while traveling my mom and I met with a Muslim woman, who was wearing a burqa. Our conversation veered to stereotypes and my mom said that how catholic women in India are often stereotyped as wearing short clothes and being easily available.
    While this woman said how all Muslim women were observed as being “submissive and oppressed,” my mom’s reply was but aren’t you not, “you have to cover yourself in so much clothing I cannot even imagine how it must be in the summer for you!” Pat came the reply from that lady “well, you cannot imagine so you should not talk about it. Tell me one religion that is not oppressive towards women. You will never understand my relationship with my hijab because you do not wear it. Catholic women at one point wore veils but nobody called it oppressive! You religion is against contraceptive use but nobody considers that backward but sadly my religion has time and again been targeted.” For the first time my mom did not argue and she made me proud by apologizing to that lady for hurting her religious sentiments.

    In the book Who Speaks for Islam, which is based on Gallup Polls that have been administered worldwide, the authors write that Western women see Muslim women as needing to be “liberated,” but the majority of Muslim women say they are comfortable with their lot in life. They would like to be able to vote without outside influence, work at a job for which they are qualified and be able to drive. And argued that the burqa was never an issue for them.... They had more pressing issues... such as lack of unity among Muslims, extremism, high unemployment and political corruption apart from the others mentioned above. The polls also found out that the wearing of hijab does not imply the same thing to Muslim women as it does to non-Muslim women. The polls show that the majority of Muslim women feel sorry for Western women because of the way they are degraded by the men who treat them as sex objects. I think every human being should have the right to choose what they want to wear.

    It is interesting to see how we people perceive each other and make value judgments without knowing anything about the lived-in experience or needs and aspirations of another person. Let us all open the windows of our mind and use the power of knowledge to unite us in our struggles and be "good allies and respect everyone's thought process, no matter how different they are from ours."

    Rather than assuming what is happening in someone else’s life and make a fighting call for them because they may not even want the liberation that we are fighting for, they might be wanting something else altogether.

    I further want to add that this issue has been simmering in my mind, after reading a lot of posts on IL and I talked about it in the snippets because I think this is a Safe Space, where everyone is respectful to each other and let us keep it this way.
     
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  2. christine014

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    Arch,
    First of all, I must thank you for writing something that is so true, without having the fear of offending anybody over here and I must add I agree with you completely. You've rightly said how people always conform to a certain opinion without really knowing how it works. It's not just about the big things. This kind of attitude creeps into everyday life too. Once, when I went out with my friends to a club, a girl from a group of teenagers looked at me and said, "What is she doing here?" Just because I'm 5 - 6 years older than her and I'm covered in a lot of clothes. It hurt me at first and when I returned home, I told my husband the incident and he just said,"How does it matter what she thinks? Does it affect you in any way? Just ignore it. You don't have to care what you look like to people, you know I love you" and I told him "That's not it. I really don't like being judged that way" and instantly, the best thing he could come up with is, "I totally know how you feel". But he doesn't and he knows it too, because he will not know until he was judged the way I was. I'm a lot more than what meets the eye, I have a degree in Geophysics and I cook and clean and help out my mother and sisters and MIL after an entire day of work, I take care of two pets and a garden and manage an entire house, if any thing, I'm not just somebody who's not eligible to be in some place because some whiny teenager thinks so. I knew it was best to ignore the incident but I somehow regret not retorting to her. I think no matter who you are and how big or small your life is, you're entitled to respect and no one can save you but yourself. Thanks again for the post.
     
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    Christine I send you a big hug!!! Thanks for sharing your experience, yes nobody but you understand your life experience and sometimes you need someone to acknowledge your pain and your suffering, no matter how big or small that issue is.
    This is what I will tell you Go Get Them Tiger.....
     
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    One always hear people say the world is changing & people are changing and things are changing which is true. It used to be that people had more tolerance for one another and a higher acceptance level for different cultures and people going through different situations.
    We dont have to look any further than the traffic in the road where nowadays there are more rude and difficult drivers and fewer yeilding and obliging people.
    That being said it too a great level reflects on each of us as well as we do have the responsibility to reflect and respond and not jump and react.
    In the case of the feminist blog where the writer says motherhood is oppressive ... After reading such a statement , my response would be to have a hearty laugh.:rotfl I am a mother and had a tough time balancing so many roles I played as a woman. However when someone says its oppressive I am safely assured they do not know what they are talking about. The beauty and the blessing a woman gets becoming a mother.
    So why retaliate when its so much more fun to laugh.. haha.. right?! I hope its ok by you that I am voicing here my opinion on this topic.:)
    You have written so well that I found your narration so captivating and enjoyed it so much. Thanks for writing and sharing this pertinent topic dear.:)


    “I think fitting in is highly overrated. I’d rather just fit out... Fitting out means being who you are, even when people insist that you have to change. Fitting out means taking up space, not apologizing for yourself, and not agreeing with those who seek to label you with stereotypes.” ― Golda
     
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    Dear AC

    Thank you so much for such a positive response. I know sometimes it is better to laugh it off at people's ignorance, rather than argue with them. I do that too sometimes, but you know some people just invite trouble from me ;) A girl can only control so much :)

    Off-late I am tired of people just making these statements about other people or without knowing their experience.
    I have never said this but when I write about my mom in all the posts, she is not my biological mom, she is actually my adopted mom and a lot of people have told me that our relationship could never be the same because she did not give birth to my biologically and it has always upset me. Because people do not share or know anything about our life or the relationship we have, then why comment on it and say things like "oh, life must have been so difficult for you," "you surely have an identity crisis" I have none of that and my life has been pretty good.
    In fact I am more closer to her than to my biological mother.

    And this passing off judgments happens so much that it is almost become normal for people to say things and get away with it.

    I love the quote with which you have ended the post :) It is a perfect tribute to breaking stereotypes Thank You!!!
     
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    Dear Friend
    I can deeply empathize with you in this particular situation. Trust me the woman who brings up a child through every day handling each tussle, joy, laughter and tears is without any doubt the REAL mother.
    Many a woman can easily give birth. However the path the woman goes through in being there for the child, through every slip and fall, holding hands with the child in each and every step, giving her shoulders for the child to sleep or weep, getting up in the nights, tending the child when she is sick, her arms to always hug and her intelligence to guide, teach, scold and praise.. There is the REAL mother for you.
    In this and many situations we can never do justice by answering all the comments we come across. Nor do we need to. Our heart knows the truth and in it we learn to reside in peace. I am sure you will find yours too. Blessings:)

    “Being a mother is an attitude, not a biological relation.”

    ― Robert A. Heinlein, Have Space Suit—Will Travel



     
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    Hi Arch,

    I knew where you were heading to when I saw the title :), and having been on the receiving end, I wanted to read the entire post.

    So true! And, it kind of irks me when people say "I know how it feels", "I can understand what you are going through" yada yada....but in reality, their life circumstances is so different from mine, I really wonder how they can even say that....maybe people are just used to telling the "common phrases" that they don't realise what can go in the mind of the person having to hear it.....and you know what, in my case, I have been labelled as a "sensitive person", if at all I respond to it.....but the fact is, it is many of my friends who say that, and so, I kind of feel hesitant to tell them anything.

    I felt the worst when people were trying to console me after my father passed away. While there were people who were equally confused what to say, there were people who tried to console me telling "I can understand what you are going through. this will pass" and so on. But I would have preferred silence....Ever since that experience of mine, I know I should not be saying anything if I go for condolences or something.

    And even at the workplace, there are people who kind of put you down because there are people like me who cannot fit into their kind of thinking. And when I mean "their kind of thinking", its ok for them to tease & talk about the others in a demeaning way, and they don't even realize that the circumstances and the experiences I have been through is totally different from what they have been through, and they used to make people like me feel uncomfortable in what should be the response. I don't know if it is correct or wrong, but I guess, over the years, I have only learnt to ignore these "specimens" rather than waste my energy on them, and give them unnecessary importance!!

    A very well written post, Arch ! :thumbsup
     
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    Thank you AC you are very kind :) Life is beautiful
     
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    I forgot to tell you my most favorite quote which has helped thru tough situations

    Dr. Seuss; " Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."


     
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    Arch dear thought provoking post and I have nominated this. Every post of yours carries some thought provoking message and worthy of nomination. Ya people are like that, they dont know what they talk and hurt others with their talk. People dont know what is happening in each one's lives and only seeing them out they envy. Each one of us have good and bad in our lives. Some show and some dont show what is happening.

    A friend of mine used to envy me because me and dh are staying alone and used to tell you are very lucky you can lead your life according to your choice, go out and enjoy with your husband. Many people envy me and my dh because in retired life we go out for religious function and to temple. I feel all that nazar only now my dh is in bed and feel bad to see him lying down. He is also feeling low as he is not able to go out. He does not say anything to me but I can understand his feelings. The people who come to see him instead of encouraging him saying you will be alright soon say take rest and dont go out. As it is he is waiting for the day to be on his toes and this makes him more low. Good that they are asking him to take rest.

    Sorry if I have gone out of the topic
     
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