How To Avoid Getting “butchered” While Undergoing Surgery

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  1. Amica

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    Yikes! I feel so bad for the child's family.
     
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    Butchered is a strong word bordering on incendiary. Using such terms helps no one. I didn't listen to the audio quoted but the below print version is also from the SF Chronicle:
    Their 2-year-old daughter died in surgery. They had no idea the hospital was warned it couldn’t handle her case

    The hospital and whoever makes the decisions there took on a case they were not equipped to deal with and it had the worst possible outcome. To lose a child and under such circumstances is unimaginable pain.

    USA has among the world's best technology and medical advances. However, access to it and the management of the care has a lot to improve.

    "I can do this with my eyes closed." was only a comment by the doctor who did the surgery. Such reassurances are routine, no? Read what he did during the surgery and after it. For one, he asked for an autopsy but someone else fudged the paperwork so no autopsy was performed. I am not familiar with the various specialists involved and what each does, but looks like the lead doctor (Hui) did his best. It was the anesthesiologists who were under-experienced.

    The mishandling did not happen on the operation table as much as in the administration that ignored the director who repeatedly raised alerts that the hospital was not equipped for this operation.

    >> Exocet that a 2 yr old girl was butchered in surgery by USA specialists who covered up
    Check who covered up. Was it the specialists who did the surgery?

    >> How to avoid getting butchered while undergoing surgery?
    That is a discussion by itself. The patient or a family member has to read up, ask questions, read up again and pretty much become eligible for an unofficial certificate in that medical area. Google can be your friend and sometimes pesky foe for this research.
     
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    This case was disturbing when I first read so “butchering” was my reaction.

    Esp for a small child. I cannot imagine the worst hell that the parents will always go through

    I am going to re-read again. It was so upsetting to hear about this the first time.

    of course it makes sense that the higher-up hospital administrators likely f***ed up.

    When I go to Doctor and they are short, I understand it is because of the tremendous pressure they are under from the higher-ups.

    If we ask for something nicely, they will do their best.


    Yesterday we went to Doctor, he seemed under pressure (or maybe it was my perception)

    Later in hallway he washed me goodnight. When I approached him for question, he kindly answered)

    This is so sad and upsetting

    how do you ever console these parents!!!!
     
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    @SuiDhaaga

    A surgery has 5 different aspects to it and they are a) Skills of the surgeon, b) Anasthesialogist that provides the right level of anesthesia, c)infrastructure available in a particular surgical center, d) cleanliness and sterilization process in the surgical center and e) patheology support, if needed. Anyone of this can go wrong in a given day and the patients have the right to inquire about all aspects mentioned above before agreeing to the surgery despite signature of consent is obtained before the surgery. Medical Malpractice law suits are many in the US and in general, the hospital, the surgeon and the anasthesiologist will ensure that they cross the "t"s and dot the "i"s before a procedure. They pay high premium to protect their practice and therefore, no one will be casual about such procedures. I am sure the court will decide who is at fault but it is of no use to the parents as they have lost their precious child and no money can replace their child.

    In general, it is best to avoid surgery unless it is extremely critical to undergo one and from what I read from your post, it looks like your uncle needs one. Frankly, your uncle should take a second opinion and should gather what information he should ask for before the procedure.

    Note: The hospitals are like a factory and they make best use of the infrastructure as much as possible as most of them are for profit organizations. There will be multiple procedures in a day and sometimes, the patients will be shuffled around based on the hospital and surgeon's needs. Only thing the patient can't control is his/her preferred time for the procedure. Given a chance, a patient should prefer early morning hours.

    When I had a procedure recently for umblical hernia, I was asked repeatedly what procedure they are supposed to perform that day and so was my wife when she had a surgery for her multiple fracture in her left elbow. They even marked ("X") in the hand in which they were supposed to perform surgery with a marker.
     
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    This is very very helpful

    I hope I can get him to go to Cardiologist soon. At least see test results from first Cardiologist (I'm unsure if he wants to repeat the same tests again)


    That is so helpful
     
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    No need to repeat the same tests again but he can ask opinion from another Cardiologist. At least he needs to gather information as to what he needs to ask the hospital, surgeon, anasthesiologist, etc. before his surgery from other sources, if possible. I noticed that most patients are so knowledgeable before they undergo a procedure. When I went to the procedure, I noticed that I was the least knowledgeable and least prepared. The Americans don't hesitate to ask difficult questions.
     
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    Oh, that is good.

    The tests were uncomfortable because my Uncle has bad back. There were times when he had to lay on his side.

    Hope I can get Cardiologist appointment for him soon.


    I try to ask hard questions without offending the Doctor. Somehow I am thinking I will offend the Doctor so I ask gently.
     
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    Doctors don't get offended in usa.
    You can ask as many questions as you want.
    I used to have all questions in docs in my phone. That way we won't miss any questions.

    I am curious. Why are you confusing the baby's incident with your uncle?
     
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    Because if something so horrible can happen to 2 year old, why would anyone feel sadness over the loss of an 80 year old.

    That was my first reaction when hearing this tragic story
     

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