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Discussion in 'Snippets of Life (Non-Fiction)' started by jayasala42, May 8, 2016.

  1. vaidehi71

    vaidehi71 IL Hall of Fame

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    Jaya Mami,
    Thanks for the thought provoking thread.
    Whatever I intend to point, I think Soka has already told here.

    Just wanted to add another point here, I was astounded how any specialist could even think about giving medications without proper examination as you had told for your daughter. Whatever the capacity of the specialist maybe, there are still the same procedure of examination, investigations if relevant etc.

    Well, I am not going to discuss much here. Regarding unwarranted investigations, which I think you are referring as 'Sink tests', I really can't tell without knowing much of the details. Yes, from a lay person's perspective the reasoning for the test may be considered as illogical or irrelevant, but without going much into the details of why it was done, and the rationale behind it being done, I am not in a position to relate to this.

    BTW I am not that familiar with the current situation of medical practice in India, so I am unsure in a lot of details pertaining to these issues. I may not have been familiar with the commercialization of medical practice, but I am sure would be there, as it was always there I believe for many years. Infact there is not much control in this commercialization of medical hospitals, including colleges.

    I am also not in favour of privatization of colleges, which are mushrooming in all aspects of education, let alone medicine. Always has been my ramblings on this subject alone.

    Too many things to argue on, but I do appreciate you bringing this topic for forefront. For want of time, I have not been able to reply in detail.

    Regards,
    Vaidehi
     
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  2. jayasala42

    jayasala42 IL Hall of Fame

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    Thanks Vaidehi for taking time to reply amidst your busy chores.
    This is a topic that pricks every human being when somebody falls ill. The anxiety about the huge expenditure tells upon the health of one and all in the family.No wonder, the inmates concentrate more on treatment only if the patient is young.
    I have been in a very big recently built up Corporate Hospital in Madras From 15th April to 1st May and I have recorded my observations.

    I agree that common man does not understand the significance of battery of tests and they may guide the doctor in proper diagnosis.But when we hear of such cases of'sink tests' with coalition between the labs and the medical fraternity, automatically, doubt arises, especially in a country that is full of corruptive practices everywhere.
    Hospitals in foreign nations are definitely far better, they say.Yet even to get an appontment with specialist it takes a month there.Under normal circumstances many impatient patients arrive in India get treated and return.
    I have written only in a layman's point of view.Medical practitioners will certainly know better.
    Jayasala 42
     
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    This is true. There is certainly a price attached to branding.
    This is true only in principle. In a poorly regulated market such as the one in India many factors come into play, including but not limited to poor manufacturing practices, substandard quality control, deliberate adulteration, use of low quality ingredients during production, poor removal of trace contaminants and so on. The labels may be the same, the constituent ingredients may appear to be the same, and yet mask a shoddy and dangerous product. Of course, in an Indian context, it cannot be taken for granted that brand name medications are genuine either. Re-bottling of expired medications has been recorded, as has the absolutely revolting practice of bleaching and repackaging of bandages - much rarer I hope! Here is a report on the FDA ban.
    Not necessarily anymore. Many lists are available on the web. But you are right, a patient would be ill advised to switch drugs themselves.
    This is doable. The US FDA is obligated by law to maintain such a list.
    This story is horrifying. It highlights the weakness of a slow, ponderous and toothless legal system and the lack of genuine avenues of redress for people harmed by quacks.

    PS: Even for an ostensibly 'simple' chemical such as calcium, there needs to be a careful manufacturing protocol to produce drugs for human consumption. As for the base chemical itself, many grades of quality, purity and certification are available. Here's one quick list to give you some idea. So, for example, a corrupt manufacturer could use 'technical' grade ingredients instead of 'U.S.P' grade to save money!
     
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    Dear Jayasala,

    I had the worst experience at a leading hospital, where the Doctor refused to treat my mother for her spinal chord problem and asked me to take her home. But one kind neuro physician of the same hospital took her under his care, and the treatment took almost 6 months. Inspite of the best treatment given and lakhs of money spent, her condition has deteriorated over the years.
    Even for getting a second opinion, the Hospital refused to hand over the documents to us and most of the leading doctors refused to give a second opinion, without having a personal look at the immobile and hospitalized patient. It was a crazy experience for us.
    Most of the doctors are together in this mindless looting and unethical behaviour and it is very hard for a lay person to bell the cat.

    Agatha83
     
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    Dear Smt. Jayasala:

    What you have narrated is very scary to someone like me. I had the opportunity to view a program called "Neeya Naana?" a few months back and a lot of doctors jumped for telecasting a program which were not supported by facts. Even Kamalji mentioned in one of his earlier snippets about sink test and other malpractices in the healthcare industry in India.

    Every healthcare system has its own benefits and drawbacks as well. When the doctors are trying to make quick money to compensate for what they have invested in in India, in the US payers determine what a patient would undergo in response to an ailment. Without getting prior approval from the insurance companies, no hospital will commence any procedure. The rule out possibilities are extraordinary here in the US due to medical malpractice law suits.

    No profession in the world can be called noble anymore. While cleansing happens in so many areas, I don't understand why no effort is being made by the governments to kill this tendency to extort from innocent and poor patients under broad day light.

    Hopefully, someday, the healthcare practices are regulated in India bringing some discipline in their malpractices. But they should not go to other extreme like in the US where every doctor spends several thousand dollars to protect themselves from medical malpractice lawsuits increasing the overall healthcare cost dramatically.

    Viswa
     
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    Dear Agatha,
    Many have bad experiences as those of yours.On many occasions the patient's close relatives have nothing to pray ,but the calm end to the patient.The jokes told about medical profession are becoming a reality.Very sad to know that your mother is still bedridden.We don't know whom to blame-except our own fate.
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    Dear viswa,
    Thank you for your kind reply.You have beautifully explained what happens in US.
    We had insurance from ICICI Lombard when we went to US.In many of the Insurance schemes they have fixed a min like $150 or $200 .The amt spent above this limit alone becomes eligible for claim.Suppose you suffer from some fever and the doctor charges $110,the amt can't be claimed.If the patient is necessitated to spend within the minimum 0n 4 or 5 occasions ,he would have spent around$1000 without any reimbursement.
    We become frustrated and feel that it is better to go in for'Faith Cure' and pray Lord vaidyanatha and take the peppers instead of pledging our lives to the medical fraternity.Though everybody feels,nothing concrete could be achieved.

    Jayasala 42
     

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