Democratic Party And Their Super Pac Keep Rfk Jr Out Of Newyork Presidential Ballot

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  1. Viswamitra

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    @Laks09,

    If one conducts a detailed due-diligence on Robert Kennedy Jr., he would never be nominated to Democratic Party through a formal process. Republican Party used to have some standards in nomination process before the party became Trump controlled Republican Party. Each person has his/her own definition for or understanding of democracy. "By the people, of the people and for the people" definition has become outdated as much as Rule of Law. Voting rights are seriously endangered removing legitimate voters. Frankly, our system of electing the President using the electrocal college has given control to a few select battleground states to determine the President. So called Red States and Blue States have become redundant as long as the pattern of voting remains the same. We have the precedence of the Supreme Court deciding the President in 2000 and now we have the predence of the Supreme Court allowing the President to remain above the Law by giving comprehensive immunity making the prosecutors to prove in the courts which is official and unofficial act of the President.

    I have to admit that democracy has some flaws but it has self-correcting mechanism to become vibrant again. Patience is a virtue.
     
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    @Viswamitra, can you please explain this:

     
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    I don't know if I am invested in RFK Jr, but I am very impressed by his knowledge, the breadth and depth of it in various issues, his empathy, clarity on his policies, the ability and the intent to take on the deep state. None of the presidential candidates come close.

    Having said that I don't know what is in his closet. I don't know if he will walk the talk. But I am willing to give a chance to a person who has the skill and intention than being a puppet or a whimsical person who changes every few minutes.
     
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    I have an opinion on what you posted but it will be very boring if I explain. Overall, I reached the opposite conclusion than you.
     
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    No need for explanations. This is for you to chew and everyone else thinking about RFK jr. As a strong Gaza supporter how do you justify voting for someone who is against the cease fire, is strongly pro Israel and has always maintained his stance. He wants to end Hamas once and for all. You’ve posted pages and pages of humanitarian concerns about Gaza. You think RFK Jr is the right person to support Palestinians? Regardless of what conspiracy theory he supports on his father’s death, the facts are that he was killed by someone (theory differs on who the gunman is nor why he was killed) for his support of Israel. Why will he have anything but a harsh stance on Gaza? Shouldn’t your big ticket item of humanitarian treatment of Gaza put this man off your list?
    These are the things that @viswamitra sir was possibly pointing out to while saying he won’t be eligible for the Dem nomination. The party has moved on from its 60s and 70s staunchly pro Israel stance. They are accommodating of Gaza but RFK jr is not. Such big ticket items are why he is out of the nomination consideration.
     
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    That is the problem. It is not for the Democratic party heads to decide but the Democratic party voters. Where is democracy when one says here is Kamala, vote for her, or else Trump will become president.

    I hate RFK jr's Israel support. It is sticking out like a sore thumb among all of his thoughtful policies. I wish he changes his mind. The choice is between RFK Jr who supports Israel but is antiwar everywhere else or Kamala who will provoke Russia and China that will escalate to major war or Trump who will not provoke Russia or China but will be supportive of Israel.

    In the end, as an American I will need to choose between a major war and people getting affected everywhere vs people dying in Gaza.

    At least I can hope with RFK that once he realizes, he will make things happen. With others, not a chance.
     
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    When the asphalt hits the road, everyone is willing to forego things that they consider very important. This should be reason enough for you to stop questioning democratic voters. 90% of them have coalesced around Harris. I’ve never seen anything like it. In fact, the naysayers are all non Dem voter bases. The fact that the Dem voters are not only ok, but are actually enthused about this must give you some idea of why your questions are moot at the moment. Independent voters like you and I have three choices, throw away a vote(sorry I think voting for RFK jr is in this category), vote for Trump or give Harris a shot. None of them are wrong options but they will be aligned with what one thinks is good or bad for America in general.
     
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    This is not very surprising. When someone is starved, they will eat anything. With Biden rambling, walking of stage when he needed to be there, democratic voters would have settle for anything.

    Why did Kamala get out of the race in 2020? Because she was a horrible politician and her flaws were glaringly exposed. Would she even have gotten in as VP if she were not their DEI candidate?

    The astute followers have been saying for long that the Presidential candidate will not be Biden. There will be a switch and it will be close enough to the DNC. So the dems not questioning is well understood. The republicans and independents should call the Democrats' bluff.




    I made a point early on in this thread on why the vote for RFK Jr is not a throw away vote: Democratic Party And Their Super Pac Keep Rfk Jr Out Of Newyork Presidential Ballot

    I in fact think a vote for RFK is a vote away from Trump. In spite of this, I would want people to vote for a third candidate so there is a movement and the two party dominating changes. Two parties, both blindly sending bombs and weapons to outside countries and enjoying the monetary benefits of it on others death with no one to challenge them.

    This current way is heading towards the deep state completely taking over the country. Not just the country but the deep state has bigger ambitions. It will require someone bold to stop it. It will need the people to wake up.

    For now, RFK Jr fits the bill for me as compared to any one else.

    I am more or less sure it is going to be President Kamala Harris in 2025. But it will be worth it if RFK takes a considerable chunk and builds a moment for the third party candidates to step up from there on.
     
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    I will just leave this comment for people to think about. RFK did extremely well as Attorney general proving JFK right with his attorney general pick. Should one not pick someone highly talented and the trustable just because they are their brother. I don't think so. I can see the opposition politicizing and gaining mileage and enacting the law in that regard.

    If someone wants to judge RFK Jr for that, then I don't have anything to say.

    As Vivek said about Nikki "Foreign policy experience” is not the same as foreign policy wisdom. Experience for the sake of it doesn't convert it to wisdom.
     
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    Nepotism is nepotism. Let’s call it that! RFK neither had jurisprudence experience nor was the world’s greatest AG. Which is why he left the post. You mentioned his uncle’s and father’s party. I wanted to point out what his uncle and father did to the party.
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    JFK started the trend and the Dem voters were ok then. They seem to be ok now.

    You were worried about Dem voters not picking the Dem candidate. Now you want Republican voters to question the choice of the Dem party. Which is it?

    You are ok with a president appointing his brother with no judicial experience as the US AG no less. But then not ok with a senator, state AG and VP being the Dem nominee because due process was not followed on qualification. What is the criteria?

    You were seemingly completely upset with Israel committing crimes in Gaza but are ok with RFK Jr razing Gaza to finish off Hamas because he’s otherwise a nice guy?

    Actually your posts are confusing. Not clarifying.
     

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