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Cheeniya said: ↑

Our mythology does talk about revival of the dead as in the case of Satyavan and Savithri. There are other stories too. Greek mythology has it's own share of stories of reviving the dead.
I often visit an old age home nearby where most of the inmates are beyond 80 with frail health. The first question they ask is when will death release them from their sufferings. And less said about the suicide prone the better.
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There have been cases where the patient came out of a comma after years. Mythology has its own room. In practice, thousands of patients are living under geriatric care.

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Dear Hari Sir,

Science is an infant teething and learning how to walk in a universe that is so vast learning one thing at a time. This Universe is an unsolved mystery and science is still looking at the evidences trying to figure out how it happened. Even existence of life required so many conditions to remain with zero tolerance for life to be created and sustained. Everything we think, see, speak, feel, touch, and act are all temporary and perishable and so is the casings of life. We give so much importance to the gift wrapper more than the gift itself. We fail to see the love behind this gift.

I am a big fan of science and not against science but it has a long way to go. Albert Einstein and Neils Bohr tried to derive a mathmatical equation to determine how the universe was created and functioning but realized it is beyond human comprehension. Milky way galaxy and Andromeda galaxy are likely to merge in 4 billion years and this is just a prediction based on how these galaxies are moving more than determination with mathematical accuracy. That might be extinction of lives as it exists today and creation of new lives with different mass and until then life will journey through many bodies from time to time.
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Dear Shri Viswa,
As I said, science has many success stories. At the same time, medical science has made patients captive, thanks to some greedy doctors.
Bryan Johnson is trying a different approach to longevity of life.
The bottom line is death is inevitable and the approach has to be to make it short and peaceful.

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Dear Hariji! I think as long as we have the science 'eye' we can't avoid death. It deals with matter always and matter is such, we all know, that it is subject to change and destruction.
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Yes, Mam. Agree. It does not seem possible that in the distant future, science will win over death. Till such time and side by side, efforts should be made to make death tolerable. Maybe counselling will help or making euthanasia legal.

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Yes, Mam. Agree. It does not seem possible that in the distant future, science will win over death. Till such time and side by side, efforts should be made to make death tolerable. Maybe counselling will help or making euthanasia legal.
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This is all confusing to me. I do not know how I will feel if I am pushed to that situation. I know an NRI lady in canada with life support for more than a year opted for euthanasia prompted by her sister. But the husband and children could not come to terms with it, but had to agree because there if the patient agrees no one can go against it. The husband 80+ had to bear the helplessness & guilt as well as the loss of a spouse of many years.

My mom and MIL both were with us till they passed away. Actually they were always telling during their earlier years, that they wanted to die peacefully, without troubling anyone. But both were bedridden for a couple of years till death took over naturally. As caregiver it was tough, for a certain period, caring for both with different needs. It was a revealing experience about how each one perceives the situation. Fortunately both suffered from dementia in different degrees, and were not aware of their suffering. No life support was required though they had health issues. It was for us to care for them like one would care for babies.

It was like this always in our country and science didn't interfere in the matter of death. Now that the West has brought up such an option, we think of science for death while all these years it was only to cure, assist in living. I strongly believe that our perception of death also has changed like that of life.

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I have also come across some I know who stayed bedridden for years. It is easy to understand the situation the sick and the family members are going through.
I read an article about Bryan Johnson trying to outwit death.
No one wants to die. The point, therefore, is to be ready to face it. We have heard of retirement funds and other things that help in taking care of day-to-day needs. This may not be enough.
I am in favour of making euthanasia legal with the help of palliative care.
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There is a rising clamour for passive euthanasia ie removing the life support systems.One of the hospitals in Chennai kept a friend of mine on life support system for almost a month.The case is on, in the court now.

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HariLakhera said: ↑

Yes, Mam. Agree. It does not seem possible that in the distant future, science will win over death. Till such time and side by side, efforts should be made to make death tolerable. Maybe counselling will help or making euthanasia legal.
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With ethics is a forgotten word now there are chances of some abusing it if euthanasia is made legal .

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Dear Hariji
While we are on the subject of death, you might be interested to read a post of mine written in 2007
http://www.indusladies.com/forums/cheeniya-s-senile-rambling/7727-a-life-in-reverse.html
Please do find time to read it. I would interested in your response

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This is all confusing to me. I do not know how I will feel if I am pushed to that situation. I know an NRI lady in canada with life support for more than a year opted for euthanasia prompted by her sister. But the husband and children could not come to terms with it, but had to agree because there if the patient agrees no one can go against it. The husband 80+ had to bear the helplessness & guilt as well as the loss of a spouse of many years.

My mom and MIL both were with us till they passed away. Actually they were always telling during their earlier years, that they wanted to die peacefully, without troubling anyone. But both were bedridden for a couple of years till death took over naturally. As caregiver it was tough, for a certain period, caring for both with different needs. It was a revealing experience about how each one perceives the situation. Fortunately both suffered from dementia in different degrees, and were not aware of their suffering. No life support was required though they had health issues. It was for us to care for them like one would care for babies.

It was like this always in our country and science didn't interfere in the matter of death. Now that the West has brought up such an option, we think of science for death while all these years it was only to cure, assist in living. I strongly believe that our perception of death also has changed like that of life.
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First, I must appreciate the care you took of your Mom and MIL. Their blessings will always be with you.
Yes, the perception of death is changing it changed long back, and only now we are accepting it. Some 50 years back, a friend of mine living in Canada had to visit time and again to see his ailing father. He used to confide in me how difficult it was for him to come from Canada, expenses apart, loss of wages included and how sincerely he prayed to God to take his father away.
Nowadays palliative care is available at a cost but there is no going back from the mental and emotional stress the family goes through.

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@HariLakhera
Dear Hariji
While we are on the subject of death, you might be interested to read a post of mine written in 2007
http://www.indusladies.com/forums/cheeniya-s-senile-rambling/7727-a-life-in-reverse.html
Please do find time to read it. I would interested in your response
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Thanks for suggesting this post.
"A Life in Reverse

George Constanza: "The most unfair thing about life is the way it ends. I mean, life is tough. It takes up a lot of your time. What do you get at the end of it? DEATH! What's that, a bonus?!? I think the life cycle is all backwards."

Maybe it does happen, who knows? Ignorance is bliss, as they say. Life is tough only because it ends in death or it is tough because it does not end in death when needed? Two sides of the same coin.
The question will remain unanswered.

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HariLakhera said: ↑

I have also come across some I know who stayed bedridden for years. It is easy to understand the situation the sick and the family members are going through.
I read an article about Bryan Johnson trying to outwit death.
No one wants to die. The point, therefore, is to be ready to face it. We have heard of retirement funds and other things that help in taking care of day-to-day needs. This may not be enough.
I am in favour of making euthanasia legal with the help of palliative care.
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Totally agree with you on euthanasia. The matter is, however, complicated by human nature as one is never sure if someone is forced to sign the form for material gains to the others. Otherwise, it seems the kindest thing to do, just like we decide it is the kindest thing for our animals.

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