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Black magic or just bad karma?

Discussion in 'Religious places & Spiritual people' started by kavya007, Feb 11, 2010.

  1. kavya007

    kavya007 Gold IL'ite

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    Hi Ladies,

    There seems to be an interesting discussion going on in the marital forum about black magic. A lot of folks many of whom are well educated modern young women claim that they have been affected by black magic. Personally I don't know if black magic exists or not and whether it is possible by a person to bring severe trauma to another by just doing some strange rituals. When I was young I have heard some black magic and ghost stories from my grand mom and aunt. But never faced anything directly. So does black magic really exist or is it just karma playing out. A week back I also saw a program in Vijay TV about some black magician in Andhra doing poojas with skulls and human bones in the crematorium in the middle of the night.

    When we are going through a bad phase in life we try to put try to find an object or person to pin our blame. It is a natural human tendency. Sometimes our loved ones cause a lot of hurt. When I was going through personal difficulties because of my close family members I questioned myself again and again "Why me. What did I do wrong to suffer so much". Over and over again I drove myself crazy with this question blaming my parents, in-laws, husband, bad stars. Some part of me got satisfied after understanding the law of karma better. Newtons physics had taught me that "action and reaction are equal and opposite". The law of karma in our spiritual books is just an extension of this universal law onto the living world. "What we do to others comes back to bite us back." Sometimes during our good times we find that people and situations automatically align to support us and likewise during our bad times even our loved ones break our hearts. How does this happen? Why does this happen?

    In my own life I have observed that if I hurt somebody badly then I go through a similar situation again. Likewise when I help somebody lady luck also smiles at me. It is our mind and actions that draw good and bad situations and people around us depending on our karmic influence. Within our mind we store all our past impressions both painful and joyful memories. These are the seeds to the future events in our life. Some impressions are very strong and though we are not aware of them we carry them life after life. They are called samskaras. They are responsible for the life we have.

    When somebody hurts us probably we have hurt them somewhere in the past and that is why the current situation is bringing us this misfortune. This is what one spiritual teacher told me in response to the question I asked about why my loved ones are hurting me so much, she said "If you look at time scale long enough you will realize that somewhere in the past maybe in this life or previous ones you have hurt them and that is why they are not favorable to you right now". Maybe she is right.

    I remember a very powerful prayer that I read in the Paramahansa Yogananda's spiritual diary, "God please do not change any situation in my life but please change me to face any situation". I was really dumbstruck after reading that line. What a powerful prayer !!! If we have such a level of strength and acceptance in our life we can face any situation and any person. Let anybody say or do anything, why should we mortgage happiness to their whims and fancies. Isn't this the worst kind of slavery?

    So how do we over come our karma. Both good and bad karma have a time limit. There is some karma we cannot change like the parents we are born to etc and there some karma we can change through our actions. Sadhana, seva and satsang burn up the seeds of all the samskaras and gradually we get liberated from our samskaras. This is what my gurus, Sri Sri and S.N.Goenkaji, have taught me. What we do to others will come back to us - good or bad. I have observed my own life and I believe in what they say. During deep meditation our past samskaras come up as pleasant and unpleasant sensations. Sometimes during my daily meditation I have seen people and places I have never seen and this would cause strong sensations in my body. Maybe they are glimses of past lives or some painful samskaras or maybe just some garbage my mind is trying to get rid off. Seva, sadhana and satsang will burn all the samskaras in your mind and help you to be free from it. When a person extinguishes all his samskaras he becomes free from the cycle of birth and death and is called an "arahat". This is the first step onto becoming an enlightened master. I would be interested to hear your thoughts and opinions on this subject. So do chime in.

    Regards,
    Kavya.

    P.S: I am not condemning anybody's personal beliefs. I am just sharing my beliefs and inviting a friendly and open discussion.
     
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  2. SR09

    SR09 Bronze IL'ite

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    My opinion-BM exist.
    We have to be strong and take precautions to protect ourselves in today's world when people go for quick kill.
    Generaly people dont believe it until something happens to them personaly or they see something happening to others affected by BM.
    Let me share an experience of my collegue here, cutting the long long story short here, due to some family problems she was charmed by her in laws. Her health started to d<?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:eek:ffice:smarttags" /><st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">etroit</st1:place></st1:City> day by day, started to vomit blood. Doctors gave her a clean bill for her health after taking almost all tests. Finaly she went to a medium (This medium is from Thailand) and finaly removed the spell. The medium did a small cut on her neck and took out a nail (believed to be monkey's nail) . She did go thru the pain during the removal process but completely cured after that. The blood vomit immediately stopped and her health is improving fast back to normal now. He has also given her some protection so no one can send any spell back to her.
    How do we explain this? How can we conclude to be her bad timing? Maybe she is going thru a bad phase in life, but its the BM that made her vomit blood.
     
  3. kavya007

    kavya007 Gold IL'ite

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    Wow that sounds scary. I don't know whether BM exists or not. Stars also have an influence so they say. But beyond everything our actions and attitude has the maximum impact.

    Kavya.
     
  4. skchivukula

    skchivukula Bronze IL'ite

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    Hi Kavya
    In fact a nice write up on BM / karma.
    My belief is that if one strongly sticks ( atal vishwas ) to the ALMIGHTY , one can overcome the bad karmas or the ill effects of BM if it really exists. If one is protected under the umbrella of GOD, nothing can shatter him / her.

    Example: Bhakta Prahlad and Markandeya.

    Sarve Jana Sukhino Bhavantu !
     
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    ananthy Senior IL'ite

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    "When we are going through a bad phase in life we try to put try to find an object or person to pin our blame."

    "What we do to others comes back to bite us back."

    "In my own life I have observed that if I hurt somebody badly then I go through a similar situation again. Likewise when I help somebody lady luck also smiles at me. It is our mind and actions that draw good and bad situations and people around us depending on our karmic influence"

    "When somebody hurts us probably we have hurt them somewhere in the past and that is why the current situation is bringing us this misfortune."


    "What we do to others will come back to us - good or bad."



    dear Kavya,

    i can personally relate to each and every sentence written above. i totally agree with you.

    when i was a kid i used to hear from elders that we will get paid for our deeds in next birth or in heaven/hell. so i used to do lot of sins thinking that what is the need to worry in this birth. but after growing up when by chance i read few verses of Gita i was shocked that we have to pay the deeds in this life itself and due to lack of time only some they are taken to next birth. i did not believe it and thought it to be just a verse in a book and continued to do the sins.

    but today (means in general, not exactly today) when i am paying for my bad deeds/sins that i have done in the past i personally feel that it is indeed true. most of the misery i faced were due to the wrong actions/path i chose in the past. the "paying for the sins" period is actually the "hell" period i think. because it shakes the hell out of us. the mental pain and agony that we go through this period cant be explained in words. this is my personal experience and i am not making any statement.

    not just me. when i analyze the life those around me like friends, relatives etc, i can say that law of karma is indeed true and works in this life itself. good or bad we have to face the consequences of our deeds. i dont know how it works but it definitely works.

    cheers.
     
  6. Sobhi

    Sobhi Senior IL'ite

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    Hello Kavya

    My 2 cents on this topic. I feel it is true that black magic exists. Seen and heard lot of experiences from different people. Kerala specially is specialised in this (BM).

    At the same time, the person who experiences BM or becomes a victim of it should have done some bad karma bcz of which it is effective on him/her or they have to go through this tough phase in life.

    Bcz i believe without GOD's consent nuthing can happen. If the BM is working on some people it may be bcz of some of thier past karma's.

    Also if there KARMA's r good, they will find a way out to come out of this and protect themselves. They will be shown the way out .

    If they dont deserve, then they may see thier end with BM and BM becomes a cause of thier end.

    regards
    Shobha
     
  7. julzaz

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    hi SR09, can i know where/who yr colleague see the medium in thailand. i wanna go too coz im suffering like her and looking for someone in thailand which can help me. thx
     

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