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    Is this perspective not accepted in Tamil Nadu or on this forum?

    The Tamil film Kadhalikka Neramillai is a 2025 release, and from what I’ve read, it’s the first Tamil movie to feature a gay wedding. It has been well-received, targeting Gen Alpha, and is currently the third highest-grossing film of the year according to online sources. Reviews have also been largely positive.

    Concepts like LGBTQ+ representation, children born out of wedlock, and live-in relationships are fairly normalized in metropolitan cities. Tamil cinema has explored these themes through various films and short films, many of which have been critically acclaimed and well-received by most audiences—though, naturally, older and more conservative individuals have their reservations.

    On the other hand, looking back at past films, I recall watching Gokulathil Seethai as a teenager. At the time, it was praised for its storyline and even won the Tamil Nadu State Film Award for portraying a female character in a positive light. Many kids from the 80s and 90s grew up admiring and aspiring to be like the heroine.

    However, rewatching it today was a completely different experience—it was hard to digest certain aspects of the film. The heroine chooses to marry a man who proposes to her with an emotional threat, saying he would commit suicide if she refused. Her entire purpose in life seems to be about supporting such a weak-willed man, despite having no real love or understanding between them.

    In a shocking twist, she abandons her arranged marriage at the wedding hall to elope with this man—only for him to reject her when his parents oppose the marriage. Before leaving, she apologizes to her groom and explains that her life’s purpose is to support a struggling man. The groom, instead of reacting with shock or concern, simply replies, “No worries, I’ll marry your sister instead.” There’s no question of whether the sister consents—it’s just presented as if the groom is an ideal man for agreeing to it.

    But what about the consequences? The impact on the families? How irresponsible is it to leave the wedding hall like that? And how foolish is it to trust a phone call and run away at midnight, without even seeing the person who is driving her at that night, just to "give life" to a spineless man?

    As the story progresses, the heroine ends up in a womanizer’s house by accident and eventually "transforms" him into a good person. The only highlight of the film was Actor Karthik’s performance as the womanizer—beyond that, nothing stood out. If anything, the lead female character’s confused and misguided decisions sent completely wrong messages to viewers.

    Conservative audiences may have embraced these ideas, where women are expected to be doormats or prioritize what men want. Even feminist themes and women’s empowerment in older films were often depicted through a male-centric lens, which is why such movies gained popularity back then.

    Even tele serials of today (mostly watched by older and conservative women) targets female centric themes, but through male chauvinist lenses. Those lead women in the dramas often make foolish decisions in the name of women empowerment, often ends up in struggles and failures; and awaiting for a male saviour to save them.
    People, including my own mom who religiously watches such dramas are influenced so negatively; hence they think women can not shine on her own, or her decisions against those social norms can only lead to problems down the line.

    However, I believe Tamil Nadu has moved past that era now. Society has evolved, and so has cinema.
     
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    No...that is not the problem here. There have been movies like these recently also. Ms Shetty & Mr Polishetty also deals with a lady wanting to get pregnant via surrogacy without wedlock and well...the movie didnt create any noise. As in it was accepted and nobody panned it. I watched the movie too and didnt find any reason to dislike it for the concept.

    Kadhalika neramillai is another movie with a similar concept but its approach is vastly different.

    To me, there are two ways to approach a movie. First kind where the story dictates how the character acts and the movie pans out while the latter deals with what their main agenda is and try and create a story around it.

    To me Kadhalika Neramillai falls under second category where the director who is the wife of deputy chief minister, found the concept and created a story around it rather than the other way round.
     
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    My main problem with these kinds of movies are the support system for it. A person has a choice to be what he wants when he grows up. But let the person grow up and understand what he wants in life.

    These parties seem to have a goal where they want children to want and select this as a choice of life. This shoving down our throats is what is making these movies being criticized.
     
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    This is where things are wrong in Tamil cinema.

    If they were to take a movie based on 1950/60/70, showing a brahmin character as a person who practised untouchability or other things, nobody would say anything.

    But trying to portray a person from this community in a negative shade in every single movie in this modern day and time is wrong. Unjustified.

    Few examples at the top of my mind:

    Surarai Potru movie by Suriya is a real life story about a Scheduled tribe person who was killed unjustly by an inspector who was a christian and it caused an uproar.

    But in the movie...this was shown as a the inspector as a Vanniar (a subcaste in TN) and after uproar from that particular community, they changed it to another Hindu subcaste without mentioning it.

    My point is why hide the identity of the original person? It doesnt mean that all Christians are bad. Only that inspector was bad. But no, then the government will lose their funding form the Christian organisations.

    Annapurani movie acted by Nayanthara another agenda movie where the chef annapurani is a lady from the brahmin community and she is shown eating chicken and the male lead convinces her to eat chicken and not to involve religion or faith in food. But towards the end, when she cooks biryani, the nayantara character is shown wearing a hijab and cooking a chicken or mutton biryani since it adds to the taste of it.

    Now you tell me, so the faith in which the lady is born is not respected but they are showing her respecting the male lead's faith. Why this partiality?

    Now since the ruling party is anti Brahmins, these movie makers are dealing with subjects which talk or show Brahmins in poor light. Their religion, faith, their identity is not respected while they say that other people's identity should be respected.

    Every faith has it own restrictions. Just like pork is forbidden for muslims, meat is forbidden for brahmins but no, the movies will show brahmins eating them. These movies which come out are continuously being targeted against this community to spew hatred against them.
     
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    Vishwa sir has explained it so beautifully and elaborately and touched all the points. This is my view as well.
     
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    Why are we mixing caste and faith in this discussion?

    I belong to the Vellalar caste but follow Christianity, while some of my friends from the same caste are Hindus. Caste is something inherited, whereas faith is a personal choice—today, I am a Christian, but in the future, I could choose another belief system.

    The police character in the said movie may have converted to Christianity, but that doesn’t mean he came from Rome or Bethlehem. He is an Indian, specifically from Tamil Nadu, originally from a Hindu background, and naturally carries the caste he was born into. So why unnecessarily bring his faith into the discussion when the real debate is about caste?

    I've seen plenty of Tamil movies—especially those featuring Kamal Haasan (KH)—where Brahmin characters are shown rejecting traditional Brahmin practices. Actor Vivek, in his comedy scenes, often criticized outdated customs like untouchability, and Bhagyaraj also questioned such practices in his films. Even in recent years, Madhavan’s character in "Minnale" attempts to eat chicken to convince his Christian girlfriend that he has embraced a different identity. I don't remember the name, but actor Ashok Selvan also did something like that in a movie.

    These portrayals are nothing new, and they have no connection to any ruling government. However, the current outrage seems politically charged rather than just about cinema.

    Can you confidently say that a Brahmin wouldn't eat meat? or she wouldn't marry a non-brahmin or she/he wouldn't reject the brahmin tradition? I bet the answer is NO. Because flawed people and different characters exists in every caste.

    As I mentioned earlier, negative portrayals exist across all groups—whether it’s bad women, terrorists, or flawed individuals from various castes and religions. Unless a movie is outrightly anti-Brahmin or anti-any-community, I wouldn’t be too concerned about a character’s caste or religion—because, at the end of the day, every community has both good and bad individuals.

    The real issue in this thread isn't about a single movie character but about certain Brahmin references that have apparently hurt the sentiments of the Brahmin community.
     
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    My point was always about the movies being made to intentionally target Brahmins coz of how they are represented and presented to the audience.

    You seem to have wantedly misunderstood what i was trying to say. The movie makers here never present the facts as they are. They do only when they want to show a Brahmin character in a bad light. Every other person's faith or caste is masked in the garb of being accommodative of their feeling and respecting their faith.

    But all that vanishes when it comes to Brahmins was my only point.

    I am now sick and tired of arguing with people on this who are neither here nor understand the ground reality of what is happening here. I cant be accommodative of others hurting my belief system intentionally.
     
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    Let’s agree to disagree as mature adults. I sincerely apologize if my posts have hurt you in any way.

    I understand your concern that recent films seem to portray Brahmin characters in a negative light. However, for a long time in India, especially in Tamil Nadu, similar portrayals have been the norm for those from so-called lower castes and minority religious communities. I don’t believe it’s always intentional, but rather a reflection of the trends in filmmaking over different eras.

    As I mentioned earlier, many movies in the past depicted certain groups as villains with extreme negative traits. Now, the trend has shifted, and unfortunately, Brahmins appear to be on the receiving end. In the future, it could be another group—that's just the reality of how narratives evolve in cinema.

    I shared the same perspective when a Muslim friend felt hurt by a Tamil movie featuring a Muslim character as a terrorist, reinforcing stereotypes about their community. Now, Brahmins are upset about a flawed Brahmin character in a film.

    From Baashha (Rajinikanth’s film) to present-day movies, many villains have Christian names like Mark Antony, Daniel, or Michael, often committing heinous crimes, sometimes even wearing a cross. Yet, I don’t perceive Christians as villains or feel personally hurt by such portrayals.

    My argument is based on my beliefs and is not politically driven. With that, I’d like to conclude my points here.
     
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    I'll admit, I don’t fully grasp what you’re saying. It seems like a deep analysis of the films, the filmmaking process, and the approach to movie-making. However, I’m not sure if we can expect movies to cater to this level of finesse and detailed examination. After all, they’re made for the masses, and profitability is key.

    That said, I can understand how some might find these movies objectionable in certain ways. For example, I find these extremely popular and supposedly progressive ads utterly repugnant—they make me throw up in my head each time I watch them.


    The way he tosses the jewelry box on the bed, and she picks it up and he says give it to your mom, then the line "they gave me their precious diamond-like daughter" and the sheer gratefulness on the girl’s face. In the entire ad, she is shown as so submissive, grateful for the smallest crumbs of kindness from her husband.


    Another ad considered "progressive"—the man says they will give dowry to the boy's side because "aren't they are giving us their diamond-like daughter."

    I know these ads are popular, and people from all religions seem fine with them, and all "appreciate" how these ads symbolize change in society etc, but I could write entire pages on how every dialogue, scene, and expression in these Biba, Tanishq etc ads is regressive. Those self-satisfied smiles at the end make me want to climb up a wall in frustration.

    So, I guess how a movie or ad feels can depend greatly on our own experiences, preferences, and values.
     
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    I totally agree with all you said.
    That movie was jai bhim. The inspector was a Christian, but they showed him as vanniyar caste.
    Anthony Samy is name of the actual inspector in reality. But in film the character is Gurumoorthy, a Hindu name.
    When you make a biopic on a real life incident, why not potray the real characters as it is.
    Bad people exist in all Religions.

    The movie Soorarai Potru was a biopic of Gopinath who is a Brahmin. But they showed him as non Brahmin. As like the movie Amaran.
    Surya in Soorarai Potru will be shown as attending Periyar meetings.

    It's the same DMK agenda. I am seeing some uproar in Twitter about all these nowadays. Hopefully some changes will happen.
    Nayantara apologized after people boycotted her Annapoorni movie.
    People need to boycott, then only changes will happen
     
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