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Discussion in 'Schoolgoers & Teens' started by aquarian80, Feb 26, 2012.

  1. aquarian80

    aquarian80 New IL'ite

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    Hi All

    I have been going through this forum lot many times since several months hoping to find a solution to my problems with my 4 yr old DS. I am thankful to several tips i have got from many mothers here on parenting esp shanvy!

    However, like every kid, my kid is also a different one and has some specific plus and minuses. He is in Jr.Kg and is quite intelligent. He likes to know lot of stuff and is very inquistive in nature. He likes to talk to people and make friends and is quite outgoing. We have encouraged all his plus points and never fail to answer any question he has in any subject be it science, general knowledge, cooking, any random questions that he asks. I was working till he was 4 yrs old and he was taken care by my parents. Now i had another kid 7 mths back and am at home since then.

    The problems with him are , he is quite egoistic, gets angry easily and is aggressive. Also, he has a high energy level which makes him prone to do lot of mischief. This mischief gets him scolding from us which hurts his ego and he gets into his angry mode. When angry, his behaviour will start worsening and he will do some more things to make us angry e.g. doing things which we have forbidden him to etc. So, whenever he does mischief, nowadays we try to control our anger and explain to him in the gentlest of language. However that does little good and he is back to his mischief in some time again due to his high energy. Also, his aggressive nature causes him to push/beat other children. If they tease him/make fun of him, he gets angry and tries to get physical or his behaviour worsens. His aggressiveness got highlighted when we was around 3.5 yrs. We thought that having a sibling will help him learn how to play with other kids and i had another kid(son). He loves his little bro but again sometimes gets aggressive with him. Also some tinges of jealousy can be seen sometimes. That we are anyways handling by giving him more attention and praising him whenever he does something minutely good also. His teacher in school say he behaves strangely at times i.e. he is unpredictable. he beats other children with/without reason in class. This has made me very worried about him. At home, we keep a positive parenting approach i..e we tell him very gently if he does anything wrong to avoid hurting his ego but outside home, everyone will not behave like that and this causes him to misbehave.

    What can be done in this case. I have been reading parenting books/articles over Internet/forums in Indusladies hoping to find some approach which will click but have not been able to get an optimal one. Also, he troubles a lot for sleeping (he cannot sleep wihtout help) and doing h/w. However these are minor things and major thing i am worried about are his temper, aggressiveness and ego. I am considering getting him homoepathy treatment to correct these things but not sure if it will help/needs to be done.

    Please advise me if these are normal in a 4-5 yr old kid or whether i should go the treatment way. Also, any parenting tip/approach would help me out.

    Thanks in advance,
    aquarian80
     
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  2. teacher

    teacher Platinum IL'ite

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    There is always a range of behavior in children...but the fact is they should be given boundaries so they learn how to adapt and make friends (which will be the first impact of his aggressive behavior). It is good that you are asking questions but set aside your thoughts on treatment for a while and gather information first. Not all children who have behavioral issues need therapeutic intervention:) A lot of times, reworking the environment to be more structured can go a long way in managing and teaching the child.

    First some questions...
    Is your child flexible? Does he adapt to changes in his environment, new activities, etc?
    Look up ABC forms on the net (antecedent, behavior consequence)...for a week, observe every incident and write down the details of
    a) what happens just prior to the behavior
    b)exact behavior
    c)what is the consequence of his behavior...(what is your reaction, what is the others' reaction, does he get or avoid something, etc)
    This will help you identify patterns and see if you need to change something in your approach, etc. That way you can make changes to see if there is a change in him before you rush to a behavioral specialist or for a diagnosis.

    You mention that he is very bright? Can he read between the lines? (besides the physicall aggression when his ego is hurt) does he undertand that you have to behave differently in different situations, or is he very literal in his interactions?
    When the teacher says he is unpredictable, is it only in regard to his physical aggression or does he show other behaviors as well (like not being careful because he doesn't have the typical 'safety' behaviors of his peers, impulsive)?

    Does he seek sensory feedback...like chewing things, playing with some textures excessively and unable to wind down, etc?
     
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    aquarian80 New IL'ite

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    Thanks Teacher for your quick response.
    Yes, he is quite flexible to changes in his environment. Like after my younger DS was born, my elder one had to make some compromises like mummy will be feeding baby first and then come to give him lunch, make younger one sleep first and if baby starts crying, mummy has to rush. He does not complain about any of these. Also, when younger DS is sleeping, elder one has to maintain very less noise and he listens. He is also quite understanding, if we give him a logical reason for anything that we ask him to do, and he gets convinced, he will stick to it and never repeat it again. However, we cannot just order him "Dont do this" or "Do that". If our statement is accompanied by a convincing reason, he will follow it.
    I will surely do this and i have been doing this also for some time although not in a systematic way like this. I will give one incident which happened yesterday.
    a) what happens just prior to the behavior
    DS's hands were dirty and he went and wiped them on this dad's shirt. This made DH angry and he scolded him.
    b)exact behavior
    This made DS angry and he raised his tone and got his frown on this face. And sat at one place with that frown. When i asked him why he did this, he shouted "because my hands were dirty".
    c)what is the consequence of his behavior...(what is your reaction, what is the others' reaction, does he get or avoid something, etc)
    I explained to him in gentle but firm tone that this is very wrong behaviour to wipe your dirty hands on someone else's dress and asked him not to repeat it again. Also not to shout like this. He said he wont.(but it might happen again).
    Like i said before, when we give him a logical reason, he understands perfectly. But his anger or hurt ego needs to be healed first. For that i have to cuddle him or say he is a good boy and he should not be doing bad things etc etc. Then it gets healed and he gets into a listening mode and tries to understand.
    Not always physical aggression, but sometimes other things also. Like for instance 2 weeks back teacher showed me the book of his neighbour in class. DS had scribbled on it just because the neighbour finished his work before DS. This made him angry and he did this scribbling.
    He has thumb sucking habit while sleeping but not at other times(as i said he has trouble falling asleep on his own). When he goes into his high energy state, if we scream/shout at him, it makes him worse. But if we take him to one side and talk to him gently or divert his attention to something or start discussing something with him, it helps him wind down and becomes calm and his mind starts thinking about whatever we are discussing with him.

    I used to think he is hyperactive, but no, if we make him play computer games or do craft(he likes doing craft) or watch tv he can sit for long periods focussed on it. Also, if i read him stories he can sit focussed and he is quite calm during that period. So, whenever i need to wind him down, i read out stories to him and this calms him down. But this is not always feasible because i am not free at all times and he needs to learn to wind down himself when he is outside.

    His teacher tells that he gets so hyper/happy on seeing his friends in school that he gets into the high energy state and is not able to express his happiness and behaves like this. Friend circle wise he has a good number of friends and is quite friendly/playful with them. He likes playing with friends very much. Just to add, he missed out playing with friends his age when he was less than 4 yrs because he used to stay at his grandparents place and there are no friends his age there. Now only since last one yr he has started interacting with people his age in the building. He is not physically aggressive at all times, but the aggression comes out in form of shouting etc. And he likes it if we tell him he is a good boy and tries to behave like one for some time before he gets into his angry/mischief mode again:)

    Please let me know if you have any more questions. Thanks a ton for your help.
     
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    aquarian80 New IL'ite

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    Also to add, we have been observing such things in him only since last 1.5 yrs. before that he was a very well behaved child no tantrums anything. even now he does not have any tantrums. we can go to a toy store and return wihtout buying anything and he will not complain. He likes eating his food vegetables(touchwood). He is otherwise normal in every other manner.
     
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    Let me break this up into multiple posts...there is a lot of information and I suggest you read this a couple of times over the next few days before you start anything...reading something several times and over a period of time helps us process and internalize much better..

    Some children do seem to go through that 'sensitive' stage...their hurt feelings are more apparent than others and they have a tendency to be hurt more often than others. You do see a higher degree of emotional lability in children who have sensory issues (which is why asked you about rigidity, adapting to change and seeking sensory feedback). From what you say that is not an issue for your son...
    ...plus his pragmatics seem to be ok (sometimes children who are highly verbal and very birght can have dificulty understanding social rules..these seem so obvious to us but they have to be taught from scratch...and with more repetitions than their peers. Their high oral language skills hide this from us but when social demands increase it will show up, resulting in conflicts and behavioral issues).

    I will take the scenario you have described...remember I am not diagnosing nor analyzing your son or your handling...just to give you a different pespective.

    Antecedent...what I say may sound very clinical and you may wonder how this will transfer to everyday life...which I can understand completely. It is impossible for us to monitor our every interaction nor should we-that is not 'real life.' I think your husband's reaction is normal and not harmful in anyway. But as you are trying to change something here is what I suggest...

    Next time this occurs, ask your son,
    • "What should you do if your hands are dirty? Where should you go to clean them?" Then walk him through the process of cleaning his hands. When he finishes, remind him..."Next time your hands get dirty what should you do? Should you you wipe it on my shirt or should you wash your hands and dry them with a towel?" Have him answer your questions. LEAVE it be after that one interaction.
    • Before he begins an activity where his hands might get dirty, say "What shold you do if your hands get dirty? Where/how will you clean them?" Let him answer you...that helps him internalize the behavior which is expected from him.
    • When he does clean his hands in the appropriate way acknowledge his effort...so say something like, "Oh you remembered to wash your hands in the sink. great job.." Even if you left out great job it is no matter...the idea is that you are reinforcing the appropriate behavior with your attention...he doesn't hear good or bad behavior...he hears exactly what is expected of him in that situation. Plus there is no "I" in your reinforcing statement...he is not doing it to please you but because it is the appropriate thing to do. this will encourage him to behave apropriately even when it is not contingent on others' approval:)
    • When he comes over to wipe his hands on your clothes, say "Stop. Please don't wipe your hands on my shirt." You know what? That please at the beginning of the commanding sentence makes a big deal of a diference to a five year old. If I hadn't seen it in action I wouldn't be such a big advocate of it:) Similaryly with "No, thank you" when they are doing something you don't want them to do.
    • This is the time to lower your voice...when you give statements where he is expected to follow without negotiating or reasoning. (Yes, children need to learn that there are times when they can't negotiate...and how we teach this skill is based on our interpersonal skills.
    will write more later:)
     
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    Thanks a lot Teacher. I will try out your suggestion.
     
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    Thought will add one more point. He knows what he has to do when his hands are dirty and he has followed that before many times. But yesterday what he did was totally unpredictable and was not expected out of him. I dont know if this will be of any significance but thought will add.
     
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    yes, he probably knows what to do in that situation...I used that as an example because you had mentioned it...to a certain degree children will do things like that even if they know what has to be done...the emphasis here is not whether he knows what to do but how you redirect him to show the appropriate behavior. Use the same strategy for directing his behavior in other instances also.

    If you think it is unpredictable it could be due to impulse control...but you will see that in other areas as well...and it will impact his behavior in almost all circumstances...home, school, peer interactions, etc. It is easy to pinpoint needs in a child whose needs are glaringly obvious..but some children may not qualify for that degree of intervention...which is what I'm trying to walk you through...to see if he has a need for external intervention or if adapting the environment will help him learn the skills:)

    I will add more on the original comment..
     
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    Thanks Teacher, that is what i am also trying to. To diagnose what is the exact problem and come up with the solution whether external intervention or environment changes. Just to add another instance, he is very much expressive and goes and talks to people all of a sudden. Yesterday when i was bringing him from school, while i was taking out the vehicle from the parking out, he walked over to one guy standing nearby and told him " See this is my school and here the teachers themselves make mistakes". Actually yesterday what happened was DS pointed out a printing mistake in his book to the teacher and teacher praised him for that. He was really excited with that and was going around telling everyone teacher does not know to teach!!:) I later made him understand never to talk to unknown people like that and never talk such things about his teacher.

    I am just narrating this incident to check if this qualifies for impulsive behaviour? Sorry wiht so much overload of details but i am just going nuts trying to figure out what might help DS:) Really appreciate your support in this!:)
     
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    That brought a smile to my face...there have been several happy moments where the kids couldn't get enough of 'how I got into trouble because I made a mistake or because I didn't listen to my parents'..of course for the kids it was delightful and the parents came back the next morning with 'really? that's what you did? should i leave my kid with you?' hehe...
    the idea that teachers make mistakes, the fact that he was able to find it and the idea that it was to be shared with everyone...No, that isn't impulsiveness-just age appropriate behavior...and yes the best thing to do is repeat instructions not to talk to strangers in various settings, during story time, etc...

    As for impulsivity...
    • does he blurt out answers or his thoughts without attention to what is happening around him?
    • does he have a hard time waiting for his turn?
    • does he interrupt conversations or others' activities?
    • does this impulsivity actually interfere with socialization and academic work?
    I will continue with the first part as a separate post...
     

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