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A cynical look at Cynics!

Discussion in 'Cheeniya's Senile Ramblings' started by Cheeniya, Dec 5, 2007.

  1. Cheeniya

    Cheeniya Super Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    My dear OJ
    Welcome back home! Your presence in Kolkatta gives me a lot more comforting and joyful feeling than when you were in the other hemisphere. That you are just two hours away from me and no passport or visa is needed to meet you makes you come alive like never before. I must remember to tell Kamal that we should go through with that programme of meeting you at your den at the earliest!

    A hybrid cynic is never after any fame or material success. Those who seek them forfeit the right to be called a cynic. A pure cynic is not after anything. He does not even know what he hates most! The modern cynics unlike their ancient counterparts are highly educated too. The people who come to my mind are Scott Adams, Gore Vidal, Groucho Marx and Mark Twain. These are just a few examples of modern cynics who are/were truly cynical and contemptuous about their fellow humans. Scott Adams is the creator of Dilbert, the famous comic strip character who lays bare the corporate world’s mindlessness. Gore Vidal’s cynicism can be highlighted by a single quote of his: ‘There is nothing more debasing than the work of those who do well what is not worth doing at all!’ Groucho Marx was the guy who would not join any club that would admit him as a member! Mark Twain became a cynic due to circumstances beyond his control and we need no better proof of his cynicism than this classic quote of his: ‘If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and a man’

    I like this statement of yours: ‘a cynic is a person who believes in perfection, a perfection that is impossible to achieve. This makes him an unhappy person. Not being able to be perfect, he tortures others by unloading his unhappiness on them. On people who are happy to be the way they are. No one has the right to destroy others' happiness by imposing standards on them which he himself cannot attain’. It almost sounds like an exercise in soul-searching!
    Sri
     
  2. PriyaKat

    PriyaKat Silver IL'ite

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    What a wealth of historic information about Cynics and cynicism !

    Cynics are wet blankets , no doubt. But its interesting to have a couple of them around, just to get a different perspective on things. I have noticed that most cynics are unintentionally very funny in the remarks they make. Especially cynical old ladies , putting down everything modern, tend to wax eloquent with lyrical sayings and colourful language which are interesting to listen to.

    Its unfortunate that they tar everything around them with their cynical views making their lives so gloomy. But if their happiness lies in being miserable, why be cynical of their cynicism !
     
  3. Cheeniya

    Cheeniya Super Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Priya
    The historical portion of this thread is what I had picked from the web and in the light of all those ancient ones, found that the modern cynics were hardly qualified to be called cynics. Those ancient cynics were great scholars and thinkers but the modern ones are mere killjoys. We use the word cynic loosely to describe a person who never agrees with anything for no apparent reason. But as you rightly say, if that makes them inwardly happy why grudge it? The tool of happiness need not be the same in every case. I have even seen some people who laugh their guts out when they see someone tripping and falling down. Some people stamp out a crawling insect with a triumphant smile. Different strokes! What say you?
    Sri
     
  4. Viswamitra

    Viswamitra Finest Post Winner

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    If cynics' intention is to make the world as barren as possible for others as much as they did for themselves, then it is clear why they go all out to disagree with others to make them feel bad. There get allergy when they see someone happy and find them self-confident. They like to needle the fellow beings and see how it pains them. They fail to see what others see in the world. They think that others are creating a facade and hide the feelings that cynics feel.

    The real question I have, is there a salvation for cynics? Is there a chance for them to become life-loving being? Can they live and let others live their life? What can we do to help cynics overcome their doomed feelings? How can we inject confidence in to them that life is interesting if we change the way think instead of changing the world?

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  5. Cheeniya

    Cheeniya Super Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Viswa
    If you look at the history of some of the ancient cynics, you would see that those were the people that triggered all the intellectual progress of the human race. Those who pass off as cynics in our midst are really an apology for cynics. Let us not worry about their redemption. They are people who just cannot stand the good tidings in a fellow human being's life. A cynic, a thoroughbred one, will have no personal grudges and if he can lace his cynicism with a touch of humour, he will be very much in demand. Take Mark Twain, for example, who said "If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous, he will never bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man!"

    All your concern for the modern cynics who are nothing but scums of the earth is quite laudable but when it comes to working out a scheme for their redemption, I must sound a word of caution with a quote of Friedrich Nietzsche. "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that he does not himself become a monster in the process"
    Sri
     

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