My MIL made my life hell in the initial years. We moved abroad, but the meddling continued for years. Lies, manipulation, creating misunderstandings, drama and fights, ruining birthdays, anniversaries. SIL was equally nasty, they worked together. My therapist said MIL was probably a narcissist. My husband was a total puppet. Very nasty, immature and selfish. These people dragged me through **** due to jealousy. MIL had a very unhealthy marriage, so I shouldn’t have a good life. My husband’s eyes opened after about a decade of **** show. He slowly changed, started keeping distance from in-laws. I cut contacts with them and life started to get better. By now, I was exhausted, super anxious and very sensitive to triggers. I got into therapy and was diagnosed with PTSD. MIL still managed to throw some stones our way, on and off and DH absolutely kept quiet. these incidents gave me a rage. Shouting matches between DH and me, going into old incidents, discussing who is at fault, denying etc, all the arguments Resulting in kids getting traumatised- I feel terribly guilty about this. I feel heart broken and extremely lonely (no support from my parents). I’ve been lonely for 17yrs. MIL died in 2020. Suddenly. My husband changed, almost overnight. He started being considerate, attentive and nice. He started acting like a partner (he was my owner until now). Zero complaints about him right now. But, I’m unable to forget the past and bond. I might have deep rooted trust issues with him due to him taking MILs side for decades and enabling her. It’s almost like he threw me as a prey to show his gratitude to her. Who gave him the right?? I feel he knew what his mother is like all along. They don’t get along with any relatives and have zero friends, no one visits them etc, no friends at work either. This should have been a major red flag, but I was young and stupid, I didn’t realise. I started speaking with SIL just after MIL died, I felt sorry for her. In a couple of months, she started being nasty again. She just wanted to replace MIL and start meddling/dictating terms in our life. I cut contacts. She had a major argument with my husband last year. spewing venom - jealous rage over our house, our careers, etc. He cut contacts with her. She is now pressurising my husband via FIL to speak to her again. She simply cannot cope with lack of control and is desperate for “information” about our life so she can compare. I realise MIL and SIL are nasty people. They engage with the world on these terms, so they don’t thing they are not being nasty. Typical narcissistic personality traits, they cannot respect boundaries. Also, they mess with others lives and take great pleasure in sabotaging things for people so that their lives feel better in comparison. sorry for the long ramble. I don’t know what to do. My main problems are; 1. Unable to bond with husband. He is 100/100 right now. I’m unable to forget the past. I just don’t trust him (to be 100% on my side), I really cannot make myself vulnerable to another big let down. 2. SIL is desperate to mess with our life again. I am tired. If my husband decides to speak to her again, should I divorce him? I just don’t have the time and energy for mind games and **** show again. She will welcome this as she will most likely manipulate him to give her money/gifts. I don’t care anymore. I’m luckily to have a job and I can look after myself and my children on my own.
Hush, dear girl, set aside such thoughts. Divorcing a husband who is currently scoring 100/100 in behavior would be like throwing out the baby (husband?) with the bathwater. Jokes aside, you've been in therapy and you know that decades of torment take time to heal. Time filled with better memories and consistent good behavior from your husband. You're on that path—you want to bond, forget the past, and trust him, but you're struggling. Usually, time helps, but you're on constant alert for new issues with your SIL, fearing he might resume contact with her. This anxiety prevents time from doing its healing job. Try taking some time off from monitoring or worrying about your SIL. Maybe casually ask your husband what he would do if they started talking again. Can he take steps like not sharing too much, keeping conversations neutral, and limiting their frequency? Without delving too much into the past, express your concern and suggest (not demand) that if communication resumes, he follows these guidelines. Then, give yourself some time—say a year—and use therapy, coaching, courses, or whatever it takes to gradually change into a person who is less triggered by the antics of those living across the oceans.
First of all hugs to you. I am so glad that you went to therapy and have identified the trauma and the aftereffects. I am in the same boat as yours, except that my MIL is still alive and thankfully I dont have a SIL , my MIL more than makes up for it. Here is what I understood from my journey 1. You don't have closure to the trauma from the people who caused it. 2. You have not received validation and acknowledgement from your husband about the trauma that was caused by him and his folks 3. You have not received an apology, and if you have - you have not yet received it in the way that YOU want. Let me tell you what worked for me. First, I went to therapy WITH my husband. I did a couple of sessions where I told him face to face about the trauma he caused. The therapist was able to steer our conversation, so we didnt end up arguing. Outside the therapist session, we didnt talk about this topic ( from past experiences, it would just end up in huge fights). At the final session, the therapist asked me what I wanted him to do ? Obviously he cannot undo his past, so I told her "For now, I want him to say that his behavior was wrong , his mom's behavior was wrong and I want him to apologize". He did. At that moment, I felt there was a huge weight lifted off my shoulders. Second, I started seeing my husband as the "one before" and the "one after". So every time I would get mad about the past, I would tell him directly " I am SO mad at the before-you, and its triggering me.. So I am going to NOT talk to you for a while ". It helped me immensely to separate the two personas out. I also worked on myself and consciously stopped talking about the past in every argument. Its tough, considering that my MIL is still alive and sometimes my husband goes back to that "old self" to please his mom. But I think thats a problem I will have to live with for now, considering how much he has changed. I will take it. Work on yourself, keep reminding yourself about how much he has changed, and come vent here when it becomes uncontrollable. Wish you all good vibes
Thanks Rihana. SIL is extremely manipulative and knows how to extract info from my husband and create problems. She is super insecure. Anything can trigger insecurity and she will destroy what I have or find a way to “punish” me. Both MIL and SIL are the same. Eg: I got a promotion at work. My husband let it slip and MIL+SIL were triggered. That weekend, MIL called my parents and went mad at them. Obviously my parents told me, and DH confronted MIL. Guess what, she denied even calling them and started waterworks! She couldn’t take away my promotion, so she made me pay by creating trouble in my marriage. Over time, I got very good at predicting when there’ll be trouble in my marriage. SIL will probe with innocent questions like “what are your plans for the weekend?” And depending on the response, she’ll decide whether to ruin it or not. 17yrs and they never repeated the same trick. Seriously evil people!!
I really like your idea of separating personas. The problem is, I don’t trust the new persona. I don’t know which one is real. He is extremely weird and compulsively nasty when his parents/siblings are around. There is no chance of me being around them, so it’s not like he changed.
People make mistakes whether he did knowingly or unknowingly is something you shouldn't dissect . But he has changed and you have opportunity to build a new life and memories with him. Don't hold yourself back. Take this as a new life. Keep working with the therapist on the side and make sure you have a healthy way of directing your anger At the end if your husband is someone who can be easily manipulative then you be the armor and protect him from getting manipulated. Always there are grey areas in life. So just focus on what is important for you. Telling spouse whether they should talk or not talk to their siblings is something I wouldn't recommend. That is kind of unhealthy relationship. You have every right to protect your personal space but you cannot direct another person's life. I personally feel you are overly dramatic like MIL calling your family followed by husband confronting them is best your husband can do. I'm not sure what you want your husband to do in this situation. If you grew up in India these are very common. How can someone ruin your weekend plan ? Does she live close by?
I remember your posts from earlier, Tulipzz. I am happy that at least some things seem to have changed for the better for you. It is hard to let go of the past, but it will hinder your present and future if you keep ruminating. I understand what you’re saying about your husband’s old avatar. You have a sense that justice was not done to you and you are right. Perhaps you can ask him to go to couples counseling with you. You have done the work on yourself with therapy. If your husband hasn’t done so, encourage him to see a therapist for himself.
And you dont have to trust either . The two personas are in our mind, remember? I don't trust my husband as much as I did either. Which is why I said, this requires some fine tuning. I had to sit with myself and first decide, what was bigger - my mistrust of him or my love for him? I realized I DID love him, and I WANTED to make this relationship work. If the answer you get is also the same, then you will need to make your foundations stronger. 100% expect him to go back to being manipulative. But this time, you are prepared, you openly communicate the moment you see him turning and you make sure he KNOWS that you won't take his ******** anymore. That is how I deal with it. In my case, every time MIL visits from India, or sometime even through her phone conversations, the little momma's boy DOES rear its head. So, if it's an issue I CAN ignore, I let it go. If it's a bigger issue and needs to be "dealt with", I tell my husband very firmly and without mincing words that his actions are causing me hurt and that I will not take it sitting back. I look at the little boy and his mom and say, "you no longer scare me, and you can no longer hurt me ". Thankfully momma and sonny boy have learnt to leave me alone. But it took me 2 years to get here. LOT OF WORK.
@tulipzz, You have been diagnosed with PTST and I am sure you are still continuing with the treatment. I am glad you have made this wonderful step to recover quickly. With respect to your husband, either he is 100/100 or he is not. How can he be 100/100 but can be manipulated by the presence of his family? It looks like you would like to feel happy that he is under control now and simultaneously feel he could drift away anytime. You need to work a lot at your end to overcome this ordeal. I know it is hard to forget what had happened but reliving that in your head makes it even worse. Whenever someone is suffering from PTST or depression, the doctors always tell their spouses to be considerate and sympathetic to the feelings of the patient and ask them not to react much to what they have to say. Is your husband doing that or he actually changed his mind understanding what you had been through? If that is the case, you need to quickly get out of reliving the past and lead a happy life with your family. There is no one in this world who can confidentlly say that they are flawless. Just imagine when you had outburst of arguments with your husband, he took it patiently despite being soft with his family. It is not his fault but his family's fault for which he took the punishment. It is really hard to be confronting people you love the most. You will recognize this better when your children become adults. You have to remember it is not what others did to you that bothers you but how your mind reacts to those actions. So work on your reactions. When those who bother you come to know that you are still reacting they would feel as mission accomplished. Why do you give that pleasure to them? On the contrary, you should put up a bold face that none of their actions are hurting you in anyway. They will shy away once they know that you are no longer hurting. You have to convince your mind not to react anymore. Once you do that, You can confidently say to your husband that none of what they do was going to hurt you. That will be the day you would be able to live peacefully. If you are not peacefully internally, it is going to show up in your actions outside. You yourself say that it is hurting the children much. They are probably at a life time where they need a lot of love and should not be seeing a lot of confrontations. How you react to the situation is pretty much under your control. You can make the children's life wonderful by controlling your mind. The fact that you had mentioned about your children here shows that your heart is longing for a happy life for them and your peace of mind. This is something entirely in your hands. Why think about the past and make the children feel unhappy at their prime age? They will eventually emulate what they experience as children and hence it is my humble suggestion to hug and tell them that their life and happiness is much more important to you than your own hurt feelings of the past. I am sure you would do the right thing to recover from this soon. My best wishes are with you. Viswa
@tulipzz - Im glad things are going well for you now. Continue your therapy for now. Healing completely takes time. There are bound to be some set backs especially if past trauma triggers threaten to rear their heads again. Continue to focus on what worked and keep practicing the same. Also, have you told your DH about his 100%? Having positive conversations about your current relationship status may help mend the relationship. Positive reinforcement will help him and also help you. He probably has heard about what didn’t go well. Maybe voicing these positives about him will be a step in the right direction. Reg the sister, don’t give her the power. Even if he talks to her, you can choose to stay away for your own sanity. Cross that bridge when the time comes. Thankfully she is 10k miles away. Don’t ruin your present by thinking about future scenarios that may or may not materialize. Congratulations on things going well. Good luck for the future.