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  1. hrastro

    hrastro Platinum IL'ite

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    Yes, there was some proof ! About millions being paid to her for the tweet, and millions paid for an Advt also. You can research.

    Go beyond the paid media. Dont listen to either Modi side or Anti-modi side of the media. Don't remain in the echo chambers of the left.

    See what people on the ground are saying. Dont dismiss it as conspiracy ! Look at both sides of the story and then decide on your own!

    Read local language news - how people in Punjab are being forced or paid to attend the protests.
    Check how many of them stopped the protest and went back home after the Jan 26th violence!

    Look at the daru-parties and biryani parties in the "protest" site. They "make way generously" for the same ambulance in every protest!

    One woman who was wearing large bindis in Sabarimala and entered forcefully, was wearing a burkha in the anti-CAA. The same woman was wearing a pagdi in the tractor rally!


    What tyranny of majority ??

    I really feel sad for the Delhi police. 300+ of them got beaten up, not one person talking about that! I was reminded of the Jaliawalabagh scene after seeing the videos - the police were running away from the "protesters" who were attacking with swords and knives and running them down with the tractors! The police did not fire a single bullet!

    But if one protestor/violent person would have got hit - they would have created hue and cry and intolerance and would have got the entire world's support to remove a democratically elected Govt of India

    The guy who died after tractor gymnastics - even when there was no bullet fired, the news anchors standing there with live relay - said that the police fired and thats why he died!!
    Obviously the news anchors had a script! After that news, the tractor rally people injured so many more police personnel! Even after that guy's autopsy, they were still saying that he was shot! That is the amount of fake news they spread!!

    This is the same thing that happened in 2002 and also CAA riots - the news anchors report lies and fan the riot further. I dont blame the Govt for cutting off the internet there!
     
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  2. satchitananda

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    Balajee, there is also a fine line between dissent and causing anarchy. If they have a right to dissent, the common man has the right to movement through the city.
    1. They were offered a place to protest. They did not want that.
    2. The govt agreed to many rounds of talks with them. Nothing was acceptable to them.
    3. They asked for permission to bring their tractors into Delhi. The routes were agreed on. They broke the agreement and went to the Red Fort. There they pulled down the national flag and threw it down to raise their Khalistani flag. This by the standards of any country would amount to sedition.
    4. If this was suppression, they would not have been allowed to sit on the roads and block movement of normal people - even those who might need to go to hospitals in emergencies.
      If this was suppression, the police would not have stood by without reacting when they were being run down and dumped into pits on the sides of the road.
      Are democratic 'rights' only the right of some people and not of the others? What about the rights of the common man whose life and routine is held to ransom? Are not the actions of the "tyrannized" protestors tantamount to tyranny?
    If Greta is an "18 year old", not worthy of being responded to just because she is too young, then is she not too young to interfere into internal politics of another country? She can't have it both ways. If she is adult enough to raise her voice, she is adult enough to be responded to.

    As for proof of Rihanna being paid millions for her tweet, here is a news report which states that Print reported this news. Print by no stretch of imagination is pro-Modi or pro-BJP.

    Rihanna was paid $2.5 milion by PR firm for farmer protest tweet

    Rihanna Paid $2.5 million by PR Firm with Khalistani Links to Tweet in Support of Farmers: Report
     
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  3. hrastro

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    They have not responded to her. They have used the documents she tweeted as a basis for the FIR so that they can call the people mentioned in it for investigations...

    The noise-makers talk as if the FIR is against her. It is not.
     
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    "Interfare in the politics of another country"? Tell me had Twitter existed in 194os would anti-Holocaust or even just anti-Nazi tweets have been interference in Germany's internal affairs? It is not only farmers but even the government refused to budge from its stand.Putting in the backbuner the fatm bills for a year does not make sense. All the farmers wanted was statutory guarantee of MSP, Government was just willing to make a promise. The problem is neither side waas and is willing to climb down.
     
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    Yes, the right word would have been 'reacted' to. Supporters of her tweet are going to town over her tweet, but the other side should not react to it.
     
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    Good heavens, Balajee, do you not see the difference between the slaughter of so many millions in Germany in the '40s and what is happening now? Can you see a situation where the Jews attacked the Nazis and the latter stood quietly taking it all or running away from there? What kind of comparison is this to start with?

    Let me ask, why is there an issue with the farm bills only in a handful of states? Other states want the bill. Leave aside all the politics or even the fact that this was what the famers demanded earlier, something that the then govt wanted to introduce and has been introduced now by this govt - the fact is that it is upto the state govt to implement or not implement it. So let those states not wanting it not implement it. Why should they object to its implementation in other states where farmers might want the bill allowing them to sell their goods wherever they want to, to whosoever they want to?

    What is the point in having elections, parliament or a democracy if every law introduced has to be withdrawn just to satisfy a handful of individuals who demand that ..... and why? Because .....

    I doubt these protests have anything to do with farmers or their interests. Am sure even if the bill was revoked, the protest would continue on some pretext or the other.

    The govt has been constantly reiterating that there is nothing in the bill which says anything about revoking MSP. If protests are launched on hypothetical fears and misinformation, there is no end to this. This is purely a "throw Modi out and let us (Congress and hangers on) rule" campaign. The idea is to discredit by any means and unseat a democratically elected govt, only to grab power again
     
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    This is exactly what they wanted !! @Balajee you are either already with the leftists or you have internalized the leftists noises so much that you think they are correct. Most people at least in the north woke up after the CAA riots.

    You have created a false equivalence of a democratically elected PM in the world's largest democracy with the Nazis!!!... Exactly what they wanted !!

    Because they keep on shouting shouting shouting non-stop about intolerance, hitler, nazi, godse, fascists, nationalist, emergency, FOE - you have internalized their vocabulary......

    Repeating this - They want everyone to internalize the vocabulary so that when they attack/bomb/kill an Indian somewhere or one of the politicians or our parliament or our borders, they can justify it - because in the world's eyes, Indians are equal to the evil Nazis !
    I cannot forget their glee when they reported the Pulwama attack!

    Think - give ONE proof of one thing the Govt has done to them ! Think - if the Govt was really against FOE, could all these people be shouting so loudly ?

    They have created such a mahoul that you are comparing a law that HELPS the poorest farmer with Nazism ???

    Just the other day, the people who call Adani, Ambani as evil capitalists were welcoming elon musk to come and setup factories here! So- are they against capitalism or against Indians success?

    Reg farm laws - I repeat - please research exactly what is in the farm laws and how the poorest farmer is going to benefit from it.
    Exactly the same farm laws - these "protesters" fathers protested FOR them 40 years ago, these same "protesters" protested FOR them 20 years ago! It has been on the parliament table for the past 20 years... millions of farmers commit suicide - they can be saved with the new farm laws.

    Still Govt said we can delay implementation, states can decide whether to implement or not!

    Anyway, I have seen videos of these "protesters" saying even if you repeal the laws, they will continue the protest ! So you know exactly what they want!
     
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    :hello:
    If we had waited, there wouldn’t be this thread.

    Circumstances lead to suspicion which in turn lead to searches and police claims they have corroborative evidence and custodial enquiry is inescapable. Passage of time will guide me as to which side I belong.

    Rich farmers devouring dry fruits and Health giving or boosting nuts, nourishing hot warm-food supplied from five star hotels - financed by anti India and anti govt people. There is no poor farmer in the a”venue”. Why this protest is conducted at low near freezing temperature? That also could be a part of strategy.

    Passage of time, would unfold the facts inter alia we would know whether bangalore sister a scapegoat, victim of circumstances, or a front.
    In the meanwhile, let us intensify our prayers for the well being of our brothers, sisters, citizens, patriots of our motherland land and the hands that feed us.

    GOD - Help us all-ways to identify wolves in sheep’s clothing.
     
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    True, sir. It is so hard in this age and era to really know what to believe and what not to. However it is difficult to ignore evidence when it shoves itself in our faces. Like when little Greta's tweet exposed their own plot.

    All that everyone wants is that our national interests and security should not be affected, that we should be able to live as proud citizens a sovereign country.
     
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    Precisely, this is just what I was referring to when I said
     
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