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Discussion in 'Friends & Neighbours' started by nayidulhan, Jan 25, 2023.

  1. nayidulhan

    nayidulhan Silver IL'ite

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    A friend and I and our respective tweens, due to our interest in practical projects for application of Artificial Intelligence for our tweens, were in touch with a few mentors for past few months. We were working out the feasibility of a few ideas. When we were almost on the verge of finalizing a project for our kids, my friend tells me that her child cannot spare time for this as they are preoccupied with another project. They are a part of a team that is based abroad and are working online. They will be traveling abroad in March for some expo in that regard. The project they are working on is in the same field that we were discussing about. I was spellbound. I didn’t know what to make out of this. I kept quiet. Then for some days she did not call me at all. (I did not call too. I was hurt. Moreover, it was always she who would call me at least twice a day). She called a common friend a few days later and asked her to convince me to understand her. It seems she told the common friend that since she (my friend) has lost her husband and since she’s a single parent and sole bread winner, she had to grab the opportunity of joining the online team. There was room for my child in the team but she thought it would be better if only her child joins. I don’t know her reasoning behind this. I called her once last week on her child’s birthday to wish. I spoke briefly but did not rake up the topic.

    Today, I received a call from my child's school informing me that my friend's child will be a part of the school team that my child is a part of. This team will represent the school in some Math competition. The teacher called me to ask if it's Ok with me if my child stays back after school to assist my friend's child to prepare for the competition. I said Ok. The teacher (She is not aware of the personal relation between me and my friend. she only knows us as 2 mothers whose kids are in the same school) thanked me and added that it's kind of me to allow my child to help others especially those who have lost an important family member. I didn't know what to say. I am confused. I am hurt. I sympathize with my friend but I feel betrayed. i am sorry I feel like this. Am I self centered? Please guide me.
     
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  2. MalStrom

    MalStrom IL Hall of Fame

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    Your friend behaved poorly and is using her loss as an excuse. For some reason parents at times become weirdly competitive for their children, hoarding information and opportunities.
    It is good that you have not let this affect your child’s relationship with their friend. But you now know to keep this mother at an arm’s length.
     
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    anika987 IL Hall of Fame

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    You are a good person.

    Your friend…don’t call her that…what she did is betrayal.

    However…this is how the world works:(

    I think it is best if you communicate with her and let her know that what happened is unfair to you and your kid.Put it in a diplomatic manner so that you can find your closure.


    After that cut her out of your life.


    Another lesson learnt in life…
     
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    Thoughtful Gold IL'ite

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    I came across this recently and is somewhat relevant but not related to your question.

    You are already/continuing to do what the story tells, so big kudos to you:

    There was once a farmer who grew excellent quality corn. Every year he won the award for the best corn. One year a newspaper reporter interviewed him and learned something interesting about how he grew it. The reporter discovered that the farmer shared his seeds with his neighbors.

    “How can you afford to share your best seed corn with your neighbors when they are entering in competition with yours each year?” the reporter asked.

    “Why sir,” said the farmer, “Don’t you know? The wind picks up pollen from the ripening corn and swirls it from field to field. If my neighbors grow inferior corn, cross-pollination will steadily degrade the quality of my corn. If I am to grow good corn, I must help my neighbors grow good corn.”

    So it is with our lives. Those who want to live meaningfully and well must help enrich the lives of others, for the value of a life is measured by the lives it touches. The quality of response and joy depends on the quality of thoughts and love we share and spread.

    And those who choose to be joyful must help others find happiness, for the welfare of each is bound up with the welfare of all.

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    While the above story paints an overly optimistic picture, will there be times when neighbors will win the competition due to the act of this farmer, absolutely. Is this the right thing to do, absolutely.
     
  5. Rihana

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    You are not gullible. This is just the first time you've experienced such behavior from another parent. You are not self-centered either. Your hurt is understandable. What she did was not nice at all. Plans change, life happens. If she wanted to enroll her child in a better or more established opportunity, the decent thing would be to tell you that directly and express the appropriate level of regret for ditching you and your child after all the time and effort you've put into the research.

    Unfortunately, in the world of kids extracurricular activities, this is common. Parents withdrawing after a ton of research is done about a group activity, or even parents withdrawing the night before a major competition. Been there, got that email at 8:30 pm. :neutral: It was so difficult to explain to my child why they would be participating solo in a two-person competition activity the next day. Be prepared for your friend withdrawing her child from that math competition because the dates conflict with their foreign expo travel dates.

    That type of parents keep their options wide open at all times. They remain part of all groups doing research on activities for the kids. And any time a "better" opportunity comes along, they jump ship. Some are polite enough to say "I am so sorry...I take responsibility..." but that doesn't help much either. Such parents are the reason why teachers in our local schools stopped supporting afterschool activities for STEM and other competitions.

    It is to avoid such drama that we as a family stopped participating in team based activities and sports outside of school for the kids. My kids got the experience of working as a team from their school group projects. They learned about teammates who don't contribute enough, unfairness of all in the team getting the same grade, what to do if half the team is doing zero, and they also learned what to do if they (my kid) is the one who for whatever reason is contributing less in a project.
     
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    nayidulhan Silver IL'ite

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    Thanks a lot for your reply, MalStrom. Thanks also for the advice of keeping her at an arm's length. I realize that I was naive all along to have overlooked the red flags till now. I wasn't sure how to handle this from now on. I will keep the interaction peripheral henceforth. I half expect her to gaslight me in some way, again using her personal loss as the excuse. :(
     
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    Thanks anika987. I will keep her away emotionally. Keeping her away totally may not be completely possible as our kids are in the same school. Also, she lives only a block away from my place.

    You are right, this is how the world works. I think we should include this scenario (of being abandoned midway) as well while working out the feasibility of any idea/ plan and work out a contingency plan for such a scenario. A good life skill to work on in these times.

    I don't understand how to go ahead with the project with my child though, if at all. A barrage of questions will be thrown at me by my child when I start talking about this. What still befuddles me is the fact that her child did not make a slight mention of the online project to my kid even when they see each other in school almost everyday.
     
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    Thanks Thoughtful. I wish everyone was conditioned to think like the farmer there. People do think with that mindset... we have seen that attitude during the pandemic...not any longer though. The only deduction that my observation of people's behaviour in Covid times leads me to is that people think of mutualism/ synergy/ the community at large mostly only in times of distress.

    It is their insecurity and lack of confidence in themselves that leads to such a pathetic behavior otherwise. I wonder how they can sleep peacefully at night after all this!
     
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    Thanks much, Rihana. I feel a connect with your words. You being a senior mom have already been there and done that . This is probably my first time and I sincerely hope it is the last. :openmouth:

    How did you handle this with your child? What kind of a conversation did you have with them? I don't want to ruin children's faith in the world but I also want them to keep their guard up always.

    Also, how did you react when asked by people around you? I mean what should I do/ say when people like the common friend or other parents in my child's school ask me about my friend/ her child. They may not ask about this project as they may not be aware. They will ask me about my friend's well being and about her life in general though.

    And should I share anything with my child to have at the back of the mind now that there will be interaction specifically wrt the prep for the Math competition?

    I know I may sound silly even, asking all these questions but I want to do it for my child so that they handle any such situation better and not walk down the path of self doubt like I did.
    Thank goodness for IL and Ilites for the emotional springboard. :wave:
     
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    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Honestly, such things bother the parents more than they bother the children. Usually, they'd hear me and my husband discussing it at dinner time. Or me ranting and my husband listening. The one time we got the late night email, we were more experienced. We replied back to the email appropriately. I remember spending an hour over that email as the team was representing the school and we couldn't be too angry or direct in the email. We showed our kid that email and the ensuing discussion from other parents. It was a while ago.. I think we also talked about similar examples from work and one of our family friends who had a habit of saying "sorry can't come for dinner" or "can only make a brief stop to say hello..." after having said yes earlier.

    I wouldn't make too much of a deal about it with the child. It is already a teachable moment by itself, there is no need to further drive home any lesson.

    It was silly of your friend to involve the common friend. Best for you to realize that there is no use of dissecting such situations. More so, when they have the sympathy factor of no father in the family. Give a brief reply to anyone who inquires. "Oh yeah.. some confusion ... we need AI to manage children's activities.. ", "Oh so many opportunities for children now-a-days... back when we were young..." , or a simple "Oh yeah.. timing issues.. we hope to find a less intensive project ..."

    Don't cut off this friend. In the mind, relegate her to a lower level in the friendship ladder. Maintain some contact as she might turn out to be useful and also it is unpleasant and too much work to avoid someone in the same neighborhood.

    No. I would strongly say no. Don't complicate things by connecting the math competition to the other shelved project. The Math competition is up to the teacher to handle. This issue is more of a mom to mom thing. Let the kids be kids for a while longer.

    Show your child what you as a parent do in such situations. Go for the next plan now that this joint project plan is shelved. Frankly, anything that says "expo" and involves travel to foreign lands is not worth it for tweens. : ) I gather you want to expose your child to the world of AI and realistic AI applications. I did a quick search on "AI projects for kids and parents." Keep it simple. Find some experiments and projects that you yourself can guide your child with. Then, show your child how to document what was learned. Create a blog, make a video, start a YouTube channel or whatever is the format kids use now-a-days to showcase their experiences. This looked good enough as a starter to me: AI Experiments - Experiments with Google Or, explore ChatGPT. Your child can write about students using ChatGPT to cheat on homework, what kind of homework is ChatGPT-proof. Or find some teacher on websites like Best Online teachers, Home tutors, Assignment help | TeacherOn to guide your child after you find the projects.
     
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