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  1. SGBV

    SGBV IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear@sociallifein30s & Dear @sm123

    My kids are very loving, empathetic, and affectionate towards me. But they are as confused as my H on the things happening in their life.
    They are constantly brain-washed by my H on different things. They are young, and they have their own questions about life.

    They have a soft corner for their dad because he is always on a self pity mode.
    They think mom & grandma are more controlling because we are disciplining them. At this age, like many other kids my kids as well want more screen time, and junk food. When we try to control them, or teach disciplines and etiquette they obviously get irritated.
    But, this is OK, because they are kids, they are loved and they will come back to us no matter what.

    The problem is their dad. He has all the time in the world in his hand to spend on wrong things. He approaches the sad kid (after being disciplined by mom or grandma) and tell him/her that how controlling they are.
    He tells them that he loves them, and wants them to enjoy life differently.
    He tells them it is OK to stay at home and enjoy life or do a business and take life easy. For young kids, life is more attractive if you have more time for entertainments.
    So, my son who is as lazy as his dad is now clinching towards dad, and thinks why mom and grandma are always being strict about studies and dscipiline and what have they gained by being so right in life?
    He thinks it is better to stay at home and enjoy life than working like a horse and end up with health issues.
    I am sure, he can't come to this conclusion on his own and doubt his dad's involvements behind.

    But thankfully my girl, who is as active as me doesn't think like this and does good in her studies.
    But, she has been emotionally blackmailed to some extend like not giving her the priority etc.. for sharing different ideas than dad. Of late, she thinks it is important to get dad's mercy because dad is the one who takes them to park, buys them snacks, etc....

    My mom notices all this, and probably exaggerates them when I come back home.

    I believe my H should step out of the house, and spend some quality time somewhere. He has become so venomous these days with so much self pity & negativity. His parents have poisoned him since the past decade and everything is now overflowing.
    He needs to go out and come back normal. Or at least spend less time with the kids, else he will contaminate them.

    Not all the children get contaminated with a bad company. My PILS tried their luck with all their 3 children. The other two sons smartly ditched them. My H became the victim.

    My H did so well in life until he met his parents at the age of 30. He stayed away from them, studied well, joined a good company and married me before that. Meeting his parents was his declining point. They poisoned him, and he got so carried away to a point where he resigned from his job, started sharing all his savings with them, stealing from my accounts, and down with debt everywhere. In this process, he disconnected from his best friends, disoriented in life, started fighting with spouse and hated his own kids.
    It took me a decade to bring him back to life, and clear his debt. Now that he is out of his parents' zone, but recovery is a long road for him.

    My son on the other hand can easily get carried away by evil thoughts. He is like his dad, and very much weak with his thoughts
    My H's negativities are affecting him big time, and I want to give him a reality check; hence all the issues yesterday.
     
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  2. Viswamitra

    Viswamitra Finest Post Winner

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    @SGBV,

    Knowing how you rescued your family from the strangulating grip of your inlaws, you don't have to feel guilty for anything honestly. Your pursuing your career aggressively, your being away from home most of the time, your inability to spend time with your children, etc. are literally forced on you and you are doing it for the well-being of your family. In your heart, you know that and no one's judgment you need to worry about.

    However, as the children grow up and build discrimination, they will realize your contribution to the family even though they are still not out of impressionable age and it is unfortunate the parent who spend more time with them get their attention more than the parent who is away contributing to the family. That is the way it is at least for now.

    Be truthful to your children and you don't have to disguise your husband's lack of income with your children. But you can choose the right words to explain them without hurting their love for their father. Most of the time, it is best to ask questions to them and make them answer those questions.

    1) Why do you think I am unable to spend time with you mostly?
    2) Why do you think I am stressed so much when I return home?
    3) Do you know how much I long to spend time with you?
    4) Do you know what it takes to lead a happy life?

    When you drive them to the answers themselves, they will understand better than comparing the words of your husband vs yours to evaluate which is right.

    To a certain extent, I feel, his guilt more than ego that hurts your husband and when you have a private conversation, tell him that you understand his feelings and your aim is to make him and the children to lead a comfortable life. The self pity is high when one is wrapped with guilt.
     
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  3. MadhuRK

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    Dear @SGBV

    I am your kid.

    I am that kid who wished my mother would spend more time with me, pay more attention to me, be like other moms, always waiting with a lunch box, checking their home-work, asking questions to their teacher.

    And believe me, I've had many such fights with my mother, on why I never got enough attention, why she dropped the ball on this or that. You see, my mother did not wantonly neglect her kids. She was forced to, a little bit like yourself.

    My father was raised by his grandparents to be spoilt and pampered and never realized the value of working hard and applying oneself while he was younger. He was not evil, just naive. He held a simple clerical position in a Government job from the age of 21 to 59. In the 60s, perhaps this was the way to live but not in the 80s, 90s and the next 2 decades. Consequently, in-order to make the two ends meet, my mother had no choice but to go for an employment as a school teacher. 20 years later, she retired as the school's Principal. Once I started earning money, one of my first condition was that she had to quit her job and take rest at home.

    The poor thing would cook, feed, pack our lunch boxes, including her own, stand in front of the black board and teach for 8 hours and would be quite exhausted coming back.

    Naturally, as kids being kids, especially in our adolescence, we would not let up and we found every opportunity to guilt-trip her. Sometimes we would even blame her for glaring failures of our own. As I type this, I say a small apology in my heart to the cosmic-mother for behaving ..... so childishly.

    But make no mistake, we knew exactly what was happening and why she did not have any energy to spend on us. My sister was quite kind to my father but I spared no chance to pull up my father and call him out if he got even slightly annoyed with my mother's "services". In-fact I would openly taunt him and say the only reason why he still has a wife and kids is because my mother respected her duties and took her role and the scriptures and her marriage vows seriously. She slogged to make it happen.

    Keep pulling up your children and discipline them. Do not allow them to slacken even one bit. Do not allow them to guilt trip you. Always stand up for yourself and show them what is the aura and confidence of a self-driven, self-made, assertive, professional woman. Your daughter, especially will see you as a role model who means business and will take a no-nonsense and practical approach to relationships. Your son will learn from you what it means to develop a spine, roll up his sleeves and deliver when its time. Perhaps he will even pick a partner who has a stable professional life like his mom. Don't allow them to see any gender differences, ask them to do chores around the house, pick up after themselves, clean their rooms, be the drill-master without any guilt. They will thank you for it later in their lives.

    I hope this never comes to pass, but God forbid, if there is any crisis in their lives, your children will know to take the initiative to go and fix it, rather than wait for somebody else to drive the wheels. Sorry, this sounds sexist but I don't know what is a better phrase. Show your kids what it means to be a man.

    Show them that leadership is defined by behaviors, not by title or gender or relationship (mom vs dad) or any other silly notion. Leadership of a house or a team comes only when you can show leadership of your own self. A wastrel can never lead anything except leading a wasted life. The second part, you don't need to say at all. Your kids already know it, believe me.

    I attribute my honesty and integrity to my father but my work-ethic entirely to my mother. I adore my mother and she is my favorite person in the world. Even today, if something is not going well with me, my mother knows it in India and will call and ask me as if she is staying near me. Such is a mother's position and bond with children. Nobody can chip away at it. Not your husband or parents or in-laws. Bask in that glory.

    Your kids love you and adore you and wish you could spend more time with them. This is a natural feeling. Acknowledge it. I can never get enough of my mom and I'm sure you can't get enough of your kids. As you wear your office formals, hug them, kiss them, stand with a tall spine, smile and tell them mom is going out for work. Let them see that day in and day out, feelings of entitlement and privilege, gender-card, self-pity card, sob-story card, victim-card, these are not worth 2 cents in the modern world. Working hard and showing up are what counts.

    Good luck and God speed.
     
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  4. SGBV

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    Many thanks @Viswamitra Sir & @MadhuRK for your response.

    You made me feel better, and thanks for pointing out my mistakes & unnecessary worries here.
    I read & re-read almost all the responses here over the weekend, and found out some interesting solution to the problem.

    As far as I know, the kids are fine. They may be reacting to the situation. But deep in their heart, they know who their mom is, and all the sacrifices I make for them. At the end of the day, they like me, love me and know I am here for them no matter what.
    They also know their dad well, and despite of all this they love him. I am the reason behind their soft corner for dad, as I have always made sure kids love their dad, and see the positive sides of him.

    However, the problem lies with my H and his insecurity, probably due to his joblessness. He didn't care of being jobless before, because he felt it was a punishment to me for not being his parents' slave. He was like either be my parents' slave or lose me (the benefits of being married to him)
    He was rewarded by his dad for all the struggles I had to go though after marriage. And he enjoyed it like a fool, without knowing the fact that Karma is a boomerang.

    His Karma started haunting him big time. His parents ditched him the moment they knew my finances are well secured and their son can't do anything to steal anymore.
    By this time, he was out of his job for years and lost touch of it. Joblessness is now making his life hell, not because he is short of money, but because he is cut off from social life (no friends, no colleagues, no support system other than wife & kids).

    So, his idle mind is working overtime on doing evil things.

    He uses all the free time to corrupts the young kids by telling how good he is. To which, he often paint his counterpart - me in negative shades.

    Eg: Yesterday was my DD's birthday. As a mom, on behalf of the family I did everything possible to celebrate her special day. Cooked special dishes, bought her gifts, new dress, shoes, and took her with family to a mall to spend the day.
    Since everyone was involved, nothing seemed my effort, though I was the one who planned, and paid for the day's events. But I did that with the only focus of making her day special as usual.
    But at the end of the day, my H gave a special, rather expensive gift to the girl as a surprise. He said it was his gift and repeatedly made sure the gift was just his and not mine. He even asked DD what was your mom's gift today?
    It felt like I didn't give anything to her on my name. The kid has just turned 9, and didn't answer to his question. But she was surely humbled to receive such an expensive gift from dad.

    The irony is, he did not save his pocket money to get this gift for DD. he just used my ATM card and got this. That's all.
    We did not plan to get this expensive gift this time. That's why we bought an ordinary gift to DD as a customary gift from parents. Besides that, i've spend a lot on party arrangements, decorations, cake, dress, etc..etc...
    I made tremendous efforts in cooking, backing special sweets and arranging video calls with all her cousins allowing time difference, making memories with pictures, cruise at dinner time etc..etc... But my H was part of everything when we actually implemented them as family. It looked as a family thing. Not as something coming from the mom.

    He could have discussed with me about buying this gift. Even if that is from his pocket. We are parents and we should be discussing it together (at least I do that).
    He should have included my name in the gift and told DD that mommy & I bought this for you!
    Or at least, he should have stopped commenting on the part about my present to the little girl. Of course he knew I did not gift anything under my name, as everything I do counted as a family thing here.
    It felt like he was doing it on purpose, and calculative playing with the little minds.
     
  5. Laks09

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    SGBV - All kids say things that make you feel guilty. It’s their job. For example, I’ve cooked hot food and dropped off dabba at school in the afternoon, no matter how busy. DD would always say some other mom is so supportive, why can’t you be that way?
    I nursed both for 30 months and DD says you don’t do something else some other mom did.
    It’s their job to guilt trip us. I’ve done that with my mom too.
    Forget it and move on. I don’t remember my mom ever justifying her actions to me. Justifications mean there is guilt. In fact, mine now tells me how I’ve always been a role model for her and how she’s so proud of me. So you will get there.

    With your spouse, you know him best. You’ve decided to stick on even if the going got tough. Even very wholesome marriages do undergo a change when you get close to your 40s. I know we had to put extra effort to stay in sync with each other, rather than be competitors. Seems like you are doing everything from your end but your spouse isn’t.

    Also, from all of your posts, you seem to keep blaming the MIL and FIL for your husband’s behavior towards you. That really absolves him of any wrong doing. You need to place the blame where it belongs, on his plate. Regardless of who says what, a spouse should treat their partner with respect and dignity. Upbringing is only a part of the equation, not the entirety. Your DH is continuing to behave immature and not take responsibility for his actions because you have always blamed his parents for everything that happened to your marriage. He feels vindicated because you gave him the way out. You have no control over your PILs actions but you can control your marriage and how it works. Make it mandatory for your DH to attend couples counseling. Make it necessary for him to pick up around the house. Your mom is old, you work full time and yet, he has what seems like a cushy life.
    All through your marriage you have played both the breadwinner and caregiver roles. He has seen it and he knows that will continue. When the kids are younger it’s ok but your kids are of an age where this is beginning to be impactful. You can’t change the man but you can have some semblance of a relationship. He is taking his low self esteem to the next level by involving the kids. It’s going to really hurt them. I think for their sakes, you need to give it some though to how you want this relationship to move forward. Maybe seek some counseling alone and get a neutral third party opinion. Come up with a list of what you need and then have the DH go for counseling with you.

    You have done a lot and are doing a lot. It’s sad that your own spouse sees you as competition. I’m sorry for your situation but you’ve come out of the other end of worse situations. You’ll overcome this too!
     
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    I understand your thoughts. But complaining or nagging wont solve anything. You could have told your DD in front of h that ' yeah your Dad bought this gift but its from both of us. Happy that you liked it ", be prepared next time. Change the situation in a positive way. Later, you could have addressed you h on not doing it again. Say you are a team.

    In my opinion, its better to play with the weakness of your h. He wants to show that he is doing well / a great dad /lord of the house/ in control like any man with patriarchial mindset. He is trying to achieve it. Take it easy, Go with that. For example, don't blame your h like he is of no use or lazy or anything like that to your kids. Your kids are smart to understand whats going on. When kids come to you, tell you will assist them, but you are busy with..., can you ask Dad.., direct them to him. Let him manage. Also, if your h do for grocery shopping/ something else send kids with him to assist. That way give more ' weight' to h. Use "Can you do", request tone to make your h to help with house hold things.

    Train your kids to do chores and take care of them. My mother was a teacher, working full time and she made us to do every thing. That time I thought she dont love me or care about me and I craved for her hug/affection/ time. She did her duties and was a great mother. When I look back, I realise her training made all of us independent and ready to face the world. So, now I apprecite it a lot. She has been the pillar of strength for me and a fighter.

    So @SGBV, no need get insecure, your kids value you. Dont take their reactions to heart. These situationa elevate when they are in their teens.

    Keep doing what you are doing, but make sure you hug/ touch/kiss/show affection. Try not to yell or raise your voice, intead treat them with respect and talk in soft tone. They will listen to you. If you can eat food together, share your struggles and what you did, your kids will understand. Also, try to find time seperately with kids. For example, both me and DD go for shopping and have something, we enjoy it. My ds likes to tske a walk with me. Now, I send my ds with h for shopping otherwise he will play games....
    Try to strengthen your bond with kids without blaming h.

    If you are so worried, try counselling. I think you are looking for appreciation and gratitude, but we cant expect that others treat us the way we prefer allthe time. So reduce your expectations .

    If your h blames you infront of kids, you need to stop him. Not infront of kids by fighting or arguing. Tell him later, he should treat you with respect because you are doing that and never try to disgrace him infront of kids and always taught them to love/ respect him. If he wants that to continue and be a good role model for kids, he can. You can also do the same( bad things ), but you believe in giving respect and you expect that from him and like to behave as a team infront of kids. Be very firm about it and practice it.

    You are trying to take the full weight on your shoulders, try to find areas where you can handover some of it to him by using your brain, not emotions, as you know very well his pluses and minus. Also, dont try to be his 'mom' , you are his wife, let him own his problems by not loosing your control on your life. No point in blaming his family now. Thats past. Make peace with that. Takecare
     
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    That was a very cheap thing to do by your husband. You need to be careful about him. If in your presence he could say it was his gift ( purchased from your money), he is being childish, immature and shows he wants attention, respect and importance from all of you. I feel you need to take into account the emotions of 3kids. You will have to counsel and have insividual discussion with all three regularly.
     
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    Many thanks @Laks09
    I know all kids say things to make their parents guilty of something they do or not do. I know it is a phase and children will grow mature as they age. But my worry is different. Here the children are constantly brainwashed and made to believe that their mother isn't doing her role properly. They are blindfolded on the sacrifices I make for the family. By the time they become adult and mature, there won't be any evidence for my sacrifices or sufferings. All what matter is what they feel and what they have. This is my worry.

    I realize the mistake of putting all the blame on my ILs instead of my H in the past. But I corrected myself, and started putting things where they belong. Even I have questioned my mom, siblings manytimes despite of them being nice otherwise. I have blamed my H for what he failed at.

    But the major problem still lies with my ILs, which no one can deny. They took advantage of my H's weakness and his yearning for parental love. They prevented him from thinking rational using his blind faith in religious superstitions. They made the damage and blamed my starts, my children's horoscope and the timing of our marriage for his failure. This way, they damaged our relationship beyond repairable.

    They did everything for the money I had. They managed to steal as much as they could until they were caught red handed. The moment I made the finances separate, they realized pampering their son is just a waste of time. So, they throw him away.

    It was his mistake to be naive, to have blind faith in religious superstitions and to trust parents as if they were God. But then, he is the victim here. He has lost his job, lost all his savings, lost his wife's trust and the respectful place he had in his marital home. He had lost his health and what not.

    I still do not have scientific evidence to call it BM. But it is a very calculative move by his parents to make a self made man, with promising future (a permanent job, savings, love life etc) to be their slave, and do whatever they dictated in the next decade.

    His parents & his were not even living under one roof before he married me. There was a history of problems between the two in the past, which led him leave their home in his teens.
     
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    Dear @DDream
    Thank you for your response. I am tired of standing up and telling the right thing in front of people. I have told my H where he was right and where he was wrong. I have told my children everything in clear terms. But I can't keep watching what is happening behind my back.
    This is not a huge problem to worry here. I know this well.

    In fact, I have told the child about this gift and the party and everything and she is fine. I have told my H, and he is fine too.

    But the problem is deeper that what it appears here.

    My H is feeling extremely insecure. He thinks what if kids stop loving or respecting him? What if they blame him for staying home down the line?
    Instead of working on self and finding a better way to win kid's love, he resorted to a negative coping mechanism.
    He wanted to tell the kids that he is staying home because he loves them and want them to be secured. if So, the next question comes as to why mom doesn't do that like other moms?
    He could have told them that mom is working for us, to give us home & food on the plate. But, that would raise further questions as to why dad isn't doing that job?
    So, whatever he does or says, ultimately he can't run away from his irresponsibility. So, he simply stated mom isn't loving as much as I am. Though jokingly, but constantly at various occasions especially when kids are sad following a disciplining session by me. This isn't normal. This can have lasting impact in my children's mind.


    To add fuel to the fire..... My H was brainwashed in similar manner. When I was abroad immediately after marriage, his parents did this calculative brainwashing and it worked. I am still battling the after effects of something happened a few years before.
    This is something in their blood line, i guess. They don't work hard for what they desire, rather they play mind games.

    Again, not everyone fall for mind games. No one can play such games with me for a longer time. But there are weak minded people too. Like my H, my son shows signs of being emotionally weak. Such minds can easily be controlled.

    I am very tired now, and I can\t go another round of unlearning sessions with kids for this. This is my worry.
     
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    I don't know what exactly you mean by 3 kids. But this is what I think right now. Treating my H as another child, like my other 2 pre teens, and teaching him of the good and bad things in life.

    I think he is behaving this way because he has been controlled and manipulated by his parents for a long time. He was not the person before he met them in his early 30s.

    Nevertheless, I am trying to find him a job, even if that is a voluntary position. He must have something to call as his profession, a place to go out other than the home, and some people to hang out with. This will drastically change his outlook and thought process in the future.
     
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