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Discussion in 'News & Politics' started by Laks09, Sep 18, 2018.

  1. Viswamitra

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    I have a question and my apologies for taking the discussion in a different direction. I know H1B's are limited for each year and H-4s are automatically issued for every H1B spouse when they apply and there is no way ICE can deny their application as it would be viewed as separation of the families.

    However, does ICE take into account those who are in H-4 status latter obtaining EAD through filing adjustment of status along with their spouses filing for green card? May be every EAD issued to H-4 should result in reduction of H1B visa quota.
     
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    H4's pay taxes?

    What you have described is a plausible explanation.

    That is true. A small change at the agency level made by one administration for some reason, and the following administration of course has to go and undo such changes. Each one sites the most official sounding reason they can come up with for the change or udoing it.
     
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    LOL. : ) Good one. : )

    The DNC headquarters sends emails to registered democrats with attention grabbing subjects like "Where should I send you your car magnet?", "I need you to resist with me" "I am gravely concerned." If they sent email asking me to support the H4 rule, I would ask them why. But, I only get these from H1/H4 groups or the point comes up in discussion threads like here.

    Like Amulet said, it is a small change at the agency level. Comes about due to successful lobbying or because a govt want to make a point about supporting "American workers."

    On a lighter note, the "ask Obama" reminded me of this delightful old video. Just about a minute long. That man can kill with his charm.
     
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    H4 EAD allows to work in any job. H1B's are for jobs that are proven not to have sufficient number of employable Americans.

    Each year thousands of first time or renewal H1 applicants get rejected after the lottery is done. Even more reducing the quota to accommodate H4-EAD would be not fair to H1B applicants.

    That is my understanding. And I don't know much beyond what I read in the sign-this-petition request emails.
     
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    Even unemployed ones do. In USA we have MFJ tax filing. Every H4, even those w/o EAD , will have a tax ID number and sign the tax return in the spouse line.

    When employed, the payroll and Medicare taxes are also paid - deducted from their paychecks. These funds go to support the current geezers. Foreign workers who go back home after their stay never see any direct benefits from these generational transfer payments.
     
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    ? question was do H4's pay taxes?
    Pay is different from having a TIN, filing taxes or signing the tax return form. I don't think a person can or has to pay tax if she does not make money that is reported to the IRS. If anything, a dependent spouse might be getting the H1B filer a deduction or something. No?

    Illegal immigrants, OTOH, pay local/state taxes and some find ways to pay federal taxes without an SSN in hopes of that reflecting positively on them later on.
     
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    If any employee (H1/L1/H4/L2 etc) has filled I9 form then he/she has to file taxes. That’s what I heard.
    I9 is an employee eligibility verification issued by USCIS. This has to be signed before the employment starts and be valid until the employment.

    And Whoever receives W2 has to file taxes.
     
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    File is different from pay. I have to file taxes each year but I pay tax only if I make a certain minimum in that year.

    File taxes is reporting your income(s) from a 9-5 job, part-time job, own business, consulting, inheritance, capital gains etc. to the IRS. I could pay zero taxes in a year but I have to file each year.

    At least, that is what my tax person tells me.
     
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    But if an employee (H4) receives pay check from an employer then the taxes would already be deducted.

    I’m not so good in filling these taxes. From past few years we have been visiting H&R block and still there are few things where I’m confused :grinning:
     
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    H1-B pays taxes on his/her income. H4-EAD will pay on his/her income if working. Other H4's or anyone not making money does not pay taxes. Is my understanding.

    I gathered that Amulet said H4's pay taxes for so long, so they are granted the "start working with H4-EAD" concession. So, I asked do H4's pay taxes when not yet working.
     
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