If God Exists, Why Isn't It Obvious?

for the few atheists here (me inclusive):

let us assume, just assume for a while that god existed.

he created a product called human being, the nature and all the rest. version 1.0 of all - relate it to a brand building exercise.

male ver 1.0
female ver 1.0
sun ver 1.0
moon ver 1.0
etc.

then he left them alone and they started multiplying, destroying each other and evolved to very many versions of their own or the god designed them to evolve (assumption again).

god had pre-loaded the operating system centuries ago in each of his creation. he must have also been a chinese fly by night operator, mass producer with no warranty and no updates of any kind, no support, call centre, service centre, etc.

so eventually lost control of his creations. the creations evolved on their own and turned multi-branded, multi-religious...

we know that many brands have gone extinct just because the brands failed to update themselves and their creators failed to provide support, updates, patches to keep bugs at bay.

similarly the creator assuming he created, failed to support and lost control of the global/universal market share or in the process of losing.

or he didn't update his version and is now incapable of listening to/understand and provide support for the evolving creations. the language/medium through which he interacted must be pretty outdated and now he is unable to even decipher what we speak. Just like you buy a chinese stuff and call a german company for support.

one who fails to evolve and update himself, fails to provide support to his creations has just miserably failed in his mission. as good or bad, he is dead and gone.

not expecting any of you to accept or think in these lines. the surrounding, family, social influences play a major role and that is the reason most of us are still religious.

a child born in our society whichever religion, language, race it might be - if it is left in a jungle and grows up a tarzan with no interactions with human beings - what would it grow up as??? what would it speak??? what religion would it be??? what race would it be???

 

My mother reference was a general reference.

From our perspective we can always classify mothers. Your classification could be different from mine. But we both don't know what the true intentions of those mothers are. But that doesn't mean that mothers are not benevolent?

The same with the worm comment you are making. Yes it could be uncomfortable for me or others to see. But I see it as a miracle and you don't. Does it make you right and me wrong? We just have our different perspectives as we do on many other things. I did qualify it as a miracle for me. It may not be for you or others and I am fine with it. Actually, I had not heard of it before the reference here and the expression came from my mouth was "Wow!". When I read more about how our body, mind works, I am simply amazed.

The expectations that God is benevolent is created by humans. If we read Gita (if we assume it is word of God), no where he says that he is kind or that he gives anything to anyone who does not deserve it. Nor does he claims that he eliminates evil. In fact, his message is for us to fight the evil and not give up. The only thing we have in our hands is our ability to work even the result is not in our hands. Nor has he said that if you don't believe in me, you will be punished.

Do we need God to exists? No.
Does God expect us to believe in him or even respect him? No.
Then why all evils are being blamed on God ?

 

@kaniths can you abandon this idiotic way of responding (above was to @jskls ) pls? Its a good thread, so lets respond properly. Nothing personal, but just a totally idiotic way of responding and I'd like the thread to retain its worth. Yes you may be best of friends with @jskls but still I'm more keen on the thread having a serious discussion.

Again, hope you dont mind me saying it without mincing words.
And Google search cannot give one their purpose of life. That was another silly comment in response to researching past life regression.

 

Haven't you realised the thread has lost its meaning already?
It was a good thread, could have been more but not anymore!
So I'm kinda trolling, feel free to ignore!

 

GG, that was one of the eye opening discoveries that I had when I went to Hawaii. The natives of the island had their own language, own religion and own concept of God.

The concept of God didn't start in one part of the world and migrated to other places. It evolved on its own at various parts of the world. That got me into thinking as to how come so many people in isolated regions could think of God. Not all these people are stupid and I am smart. Maybe my understanding is not right and that set me on a path to read various religion to identify God.

 

I think people who have experienced God (not in form factor, but experienced the presence of God) will believe. Since it cannot be proved with <QED> there cannot be a solution to any of us demanding that. It's an experience and a belief system. I think its impossible for a person A to "convince" person B.

There is a lot of depth to our Vedas and Scriptures. I am not an expert in it, but probably unwise to discard their contents without a sincere attempt to understand it (and I guess it requires a lot of time to become an expert in it). There is plenty to learn and will be a humble student.

 

true a82.

the child we are planning to transport there, has the gene of the parents - don't forget that

 

I am basing my response based on Hinduism.....

Regarding Hell, people can be punished everytime they go to sleep also.............The astral travel during sleep can to good places and every Hell...........
During sleep there can be experiences of snakes, wild creatures scaring us...........It is form of Punishment only............

There are experiences of people who have miraculously passed into death and revived life again..........passed into death means lost consciousness, heartbeat and pulse rate and regained again.........Some have had hell like experiences............read the experiences below for Life after death description........There are both American and Indian experiences explained and comparisons made...........

10 Astonishing Near-Death Experiences - Listverse

Near-Death Experiences and Hinduism

 

It still is a good thread and still has meaning to some members, so avoid the trolling please. Thank you.

 

I have a theory... Initially, the nomadic humans assumed the natural elements around them, like sun, water, earth etc as Gods / God forms and offered their prayers and thanks, which I see is acceptable too, possibly a reason why isolated regions thought of God, as these natural elements are common to all beings in earth! I had rather go with this theory than believe in an invisible force, that can only be felt to be proved existing!!