Self esteem is worth dying for! – Bhagavad Gita Verses 2.35-2.37

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  1. Cheeniya

    Cheeniya Super Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Chithra
    Some further thoughts on the thread!
    Lord Krishna spends considerable time in His dialogue with Arjuna extolling the virtues of Nishkamya Karma, performane of Karma without any attachment to the fruits of the action. He ,therefore, can not take a volte face and tell Arjuna about the fruits of a victory in the war. That will confound Arjuna further. So the Lord tells him of the possible effects of non-performance of his duties.

    I have already mentioned in another post of mine that performance of daily Sandhya Vandhanam will not beget anything but non performance of it will add to our sin. This is a very vital point. Some people may not be enthused by what they might get out of their action for various reasons but if the non performance of it is going to land him in serious trouble, he is sure to act.
    Sri
     
  2. Chitvish

    Chitvish Moderator IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Sri,
    I cannot thank you enough for stepping in here and sharing your thoughts, very relevantly.
    Arjuna had waited for such an opportunity all his life to show his prowess;but it seems strange that that when such a chance presented itself, he should have lost his heart and found himself lacking the confidence to measure up to such a situation.Arjuna was heading for a dangerous collapse of personality and his case was more of escapism. Realising that the cracks in Arjuna's mental make up were widening slowly, Krishna stepped in and showed him the clear way.
    We all go through such dire situations at some stage in life.We feel confused as though all alleys are blind.We trip up our own toes, we stumble and fall headlonginto grinning traps of dejection and despair. We know not what to do.
    At such times, Gita gives us the treatment for our inner mind.
    Yes, Sri, you are correct in saying this is a universal ailment.We cannot afford to succumb to our mental maladies thereby arresting our development and foiling our own succes. Then, sadly, our achievement is doomed!
    Thanks, Sri, for enlightening us with a very good example. Your contribution adds lustre to my thread is an understatement !
    Love,
    Chithra.
     
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  3. Chitvish

    Chitvish Moderator IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Sri,
    I too continue here!
    Very often we take for granted the positive outcome of doing a thing and do not realise our omission.But once the consequences of the omission glare at our face, we rush to rectify it, but fail also.This is very clearly pointed out by your sandhyavandanam example !

    Sri, one thing I now realise now is, having been a vedanta student for over a decade, my mind is conditioned to think only on those lines. You have a broader perspective of life, with your rich experience with the world and are able to throw light on these aspects more effectively.Not only that, you give a refreshing air to the whole subject.
    It is my pride and privilege that you are joining me in writing more lucidly, for the benefit of ILites.
    We are blessed that you are sharing your thoughts with us here.
    Thankyou, Sri.
    Love,
    Chithra.



     
  4. mkthpavi

    mkthpavi Senior IL'ite

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    How true Chithra!

    Fear of failure / fear of ridicule is what stops many of us from doing things right and on time!

    Lord Krishna minced no words in imbibing this hard-hitting truth to Arjuna. There is no way Arjuna could have gone about justifying that he left the battlefield only 'cos he became senti :) Some may have understood...but history would have been tough on the great warrior that he is.

    Thappo-right-o, do ur duty - is the lesson here..

    thanks and love
    pavithra
     
  5. gayathriar

    gayathriar Bronze IL'ite

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    So, 'Dushtanai Kandal Dhoora odu' is not an apt advice for a Kshatriya. This is validated by Cheeniya's statement - if we are capable of doing the action and what is the consequence if we don't do the action. Looks like we can apply this to every life situation.

    Can we say Gita offers Action/process oriented management solution and is absolutely no result oriented( though persuing the right action will always fetch the right result at the end )? Or do you think it is too naive to say so?

    -Gayathri.
     
  6. Chitvish

    Chitvish Moderator IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Pavithra,
    Very often our thought run on the lines of "what will others think of me? What, if I do not go ahead... etc".
    A such times, if somebody can offer us sane advice as to how to go about in the right direction, our ambiguity will be cleared.
    This is exactly what Krishna is doing to Arjuna.
    Thanks for joining us here.
    Love,
    Chithra.


     
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    Chitvish Moderator IL Hall of Fame

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    Dear Gayathri,
    I would say Dushta samharam is a kshatriya's duty in the war !
    Your second statement is not fully correct ! It is not possible, not to be bothered about the result.Pursuing the right action may not fetch you the result which you want, but you can feel peaceful that the means was right & you did whatever you thought was correct. Dexterity in action is in our hands. But the end result is not & may not be what we want it to be !
    Next, karma yoga will come & you will be able to understand better.
    Love,
    Chithra.



     
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    Dear Mrs.Chith,
    Actions without any attachment to its result is greater than inaction which leads to sorrow.
    Lord Krishna, knows where Arjuna will fall, in order to make him fight.
    He talked about his enemies who will bring ill-fame to him, if Arjuna didn't fight, how true...

    Cheeniya Sir,
    Comparing the situations in Ramayana and Mahabhartha gives us the difference in making one person know his strength...enjoyed it Sir.

    sriniketan
     
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    Dear Mrs C,

    What a lovely post as usual. I wish I also had some one like krishna:?: ,to guide me when I am in a state of confusion and does not act when I am suppose to instead thinking of the end result.
     
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    Dear Cheeniya sir,

    Thank you so much for your thoughts and your explanations here. I really enjoyed reading them and getting more knowledge.Bow
     

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