Atma is immutable and cannot be destroyed.

With a purified mind, with the knowledge of Satchitananda, deeper meditation is possible.

Avinaas(h)I thu thadviddhi, yaena sarvamidam thatham
Vinaas(h)am avyayasyaasya na kas(h)chith arthumarhathi 2.17

You understand that, to be the imperishable by which all this is pervaded. No one can bring about the destruction of this changeless one.

We now know asat (anatma) cannot destroy the sat (Atma). This would be like pot destroying the clay – which is impossible ! The pot cannot get rid of the clay and destroy it. Such a possibility does not exist.

Regardless of the number of people, Atma is always non-dual. No number or condition, activity or connection to activity, brings about a change in the Atma. In fact there is no connection for the Atma, just as there is no connection between the clay and the pot because all that is there, is clay. If there were a pot other than clay, then the clay could establish a relationship with it. But, when a pot is only clay, there can be no relationship between them. This, then, is the nature of Atma.

2.18 again emphasizes that Atma is Aprameya: - unobjectifiable.

Antavanta ime deha: nithyasyOkthaa: shareeriNa:
Anaashino(a)pramaeyasya thasmaddhyuddhyasva bhaaratha 2.18

It is said- Perishable are these bodies, which belong to the eternal, imperishable and unobjectifiable Self.Therefore fight, Oh Arjuna !

This is again a repetition of the same idea.
Atma is never an object of knowledge. It is ever the experiencer, never the experienced.
Let us remember, we can never see our own eyes.
So atma is
Nithya: - eternal
Satya: - real
Sarvagatha: - all pervading
Aprameya: - unobjectifiable

2.19 says Atma is
Akartha - does not do action
Abhoktha - is not involved in action

Ya aenam vaeththi hantharam, yashchainam manyathae hatham
Ubhau thau na vijaaneetha: naayam hanthi na hanyathae 2.19

The one who considers this (Self) to be a killer and the one who considers this (Self) to be killed, both of them do not know. This (Self) does not kill nor is killed.

The corollary is, so atma is free from all karmas and has no punarjanma. Karmas are meant for only Sukshma Sariram which travels from place to place. So, the Atma does not get entangled in any newly generated chain of vasanas. The ocean does not grow or die when a wave rises, swell, plays and then tumbles to become the ocean again.
Thus, it is established that the Self is immutable.

Love,
Chithra.

 

Dear AC,
Thanks a ton.
Purified mind neet not bother you or worry you. It is a life long journey, continuing, janma after janma.
As I "repeatedly repeat" (?), we must make a sincere beginning. That is all we need to do now. Things will unfold slowly but steadily.
Yes, AC, read again & again.
You are welcome for a repeat F B.
Love
To
AC
From
Le C.

 

Dear Kamla,
So prompt, you are & my prompter thanks.
For the line
Atma is never an object of knowledge. It is ever the experiencer, never the experienced............................

Atma is subject - a subject can never become object.
Our eyes are part of us - can ever see our own eyes? Never !!
From your telephone, can you make a call to your own number ? Never !!

From there, we go to
Atma is the experiencer - so, it can never be the experienced object, the world.

The next few verses constitute the essence of the core of the Gita. I pray God, that I should be able to put it across in simple, ununderstandable language, call it expressions !

Thanks for your nice words.
Love,
Chithra.

 

Dear Shan,
Perfect !
What I have put in so many words, has been clearly understood by you & conveyed in a gist !
Next, I may write a post on "vasanas", about which I have made a mention !
Thanks, Shan.
Love,
Chithra.

 

Dear Veda,
Please,please, do not ever repeat
Sorry.... I know I am asking stupid questions in front of the learned people.... But after reading this I got confused a lot.... May all forgive my ignorance....
If everybody understands everything instantly, I will not be here, writing posts ! That I am also yet to understand deeper, goes without saying.
Please read my post on Sarirathrayam again in detail. The papa punya "gets attached" (as though) only to the sukshma sariram. S S , in a new birth, gets a new Sthoola sariram & the papa punya attached to it, are fructified. I hope it is a little more clear now.
Deeper meditation means, our higher level of thinking only on atma. As I always mention, very highly learned & knowledgeable people only, are capable of that level.
Please come back here again, if you have any doubt - do not hesitate, Veda.
Love,
Chithra.