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HariLakhera said: ↑

Very right. About punctuation marks, I don't remember the name of the great author who used to send his manuscript along with complete list of puctuations marks witha request to place them wherever required.
And who can forget about late Morarji, our PM. Some officer used to address as Morarji Ji . He got a telegram from his superior not to add ji. He started addressing only as Morar.
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thanks for thought provoking fb ji! & about that punctuation Mark's.
For a very long time no response from a friend. He sent a message briefly . In the text field he typed only the "?".
In response he got a message "!".
That is for brevity in correspondence.
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The one-vertical-line and two of Sanskrit predates the scheme of punctuation of the languages of Europe. However, whenever history is written and revealed, it is always eurocentric; here is another example:

General history: A history of punctuation in English | Unravel Magazine

Keith Houston of the BBC has a rather intricate and detailed timeline for this history of punctuation (which this article will follow). As he notes, the earliest prominent use of any punctuation was in the 3rd century BC. Aristophanes had offered a solution to the completely run-on writing style of the Greeks, which featured spaces between letters, words, clauses, or sentences. Aristophanes proposed that writers use three types of dots to allocate the appropriate pause between formal parts of speech. A dot located in the bottom denoted a short pause like a comma, the middle was for an intermediate pause like a colon, and the bottom was for a pause much like a full stop. With this, a reader would know when to pause and for how long to produce cohesive and understandable speech.

Alas, the Aristophanean method was eventually scrapped when the Roman empire gained precedence over the Greeks from their politics to their writing. The Romans, namely Cicero, believed the speaker should exert discretion over his or her rhythm of speech and not be bound by dots or punctuation.

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The oriental languages (Chinese, classic-Korean, Japanese ) did not delineate words with spaces until recently. Formal writings in Chinese (like official invitations to functions and such) still use the same scheme of uniform spaces between LETTERS, and for the novice it is very hard to decipher where one WORD ends a n d a n o t h e r b e g i n s.

The OP would remind many the automotive disclaimer "YMMV", viz., your mileage may vary., that is now so popular in the social media responses to individual autobiographicals.

dictionary: written abbreviation for your mileage may vary: used, for example onsocial media and in text messages and emails, to mean that you understand people may have a different opinion or experience to yours
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An in-depth feedback in that tracing origins of punctuation in written texts from earliest times.
2. Even in Indus Valley hieroglyphics there is no punctuation which is considered the earliest civilisation .
3. In pitman English And Tamil shorthand too for principle vowel sound three dots thin and thick placed before and or after a stroke depicts vowel sounds as appears in the pneumonic “pa May we all go too “ & “ that pen is not mine”.
4. Your reference to punctuation marks in FB turned me nostalgic of those six months when I learnt in institute English typewriting and pitman shorthand. As an adolescent, the learning was quite interesting and helped me winning wider circle of friends. Thanks for this nostalgia.
I liked the YMMV part.
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jayasala42 said: ↑

Your article is nostalgic.We could not afford to buy the Hindu,Three families shared.The paper will come to us in the evening. Appa used to show Kamadhenu ( as a child I used to say 'Kama nenu" )and tell that the paper would give everything you want.We never read the paper without a dictionary and used to write new words learnt then and there. Appa taught us to use the words in sentences of our own so that we may not forget. That is how we sisters had a flair for English.
While in college I had to change a lot. While father insisted on simple concise writing with clarity, English lecturer Mrs.Sarada used to saythat we can learn all extensive areas of a a language only on improving our vocabulary and especially while writing critical character appreciation we were advised to use luxury in exuberance and just for getting the highest mark we used to quote extensively from other texts, even from Tamil and sanskrit.
When I got first prize in an essay competition, Appa read it and said 'Not So great as to deserve the prize. It should have been simpler in expression.
Punctuation horror was a topic in itself with bursts of laughter.

Thanks for kindling nostalgia
Jayasala 42
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Thank you from bottom of my heart for a touching response. A beautiful soft parallel - should say a feather touch - .
2. My late mother Sarada was behind my acquiring the LIFCO (LITTLE FLOWER COMPANY RANGANATAN STREET) dictionary as she contributed a part of the cost from that yellow LG as asafoetida tin box.
3. Very nice reading on your acquiring rich vocabulary and winning essay competition. Belated congratulations. Dad is dad always - yours or mine.
4. I wish I had included in the post the following:
“In case pencil not readily available especially you read and travel you can use thumb nail to Mark the relevant portion for which you may refer to dictionary later at home.”

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iyerviji said: ↑

Very true. My brother also would say write less. He is very systematic. Even while buying he will select fast.

Good to have a dad like yours.
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Am glad that it reminded of your beloved brother of virtues.
2, your notes provided a hint on writing about buying skills learnt from others and dad.
3. It may not be out of place to thank you here for nominating as your FIRST nomination for current month July 2019.

Thanks and Regards.

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Dear Thyagarajan Sir,

"Communication is to express and not to impress" are the words of wisdom from my English Professor. He used to say, "Short enough to attract attention and long enough to cover the subject".

Thank God Telegrams are no longer in force. Sometimes, it is life and death issue how it used to be delivered.

My father also used to ask me to read aloud to correct my pronunciation. Perhaps, that is how they learned to pronounce words right in their life time.

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Very much true sir and as always impressed with your write up and your dad's assistance Awesome!!

Thank you for the share.

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Thyagarajan said: ↑

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I liked the YMMV part.......
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In a social forum full of girls, from a patriarchal society & culture, that has to be pointed out.
This punchline is so succinct:

iyerviji said: ↑

Good to have a dad like yours.
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Dear @Thyagarajan sir,

Your post brought a smile and memories as well! Yesterday while getting my car oil change done, I was reading a news paper - missing the habit, feeling a little nostalgic and making a mental note to maybe I should subscribe to one again! Then after that, I pick up my DD and she goes "Okay mom, I need to quiz you on your vocabulary today. Let's see how many of the texting abbreviations you know" and went systematically asking me starting with "LOL". Needless to say, I failed and badly!

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Dear @Thyagarajan sir,

Your post brought a smile and memories as well! Yesterday while getting my car oil change done, I was reading a news paper - missing the habit, feeling a little nostalgic and making a mental note to maybe I should subscribe to one again! Then after that, I pick up my DD and she goes "Okay mom, I need to quiz you on your vocabulary today. Let's see how many of the texting abbreviations you know" and went systematically asking me starting with "LOL". Needless to say, I failed and badly!
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thank you.
oh my. Children of today. If only at their age I was less than half intelligent than thinks for me would have been totally different. A sea of change in children of today .they are ever agile and move intelligently. I agree with her checking your vocab once in a while.
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