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Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by Balajee, Aug 7, 2019.

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  1. satchitananda

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    Which is not much of a change from the situation so far. Only that Pak cannot cross over to our part of Kashmir any more or send infiltrators with such alacrity and temerity. If they do, nobody can object to India taking strong action to those who attack India's sovereignty.
     
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    I agree. But if neither party agrees to an already existing agreement, what is the starting point for bilateral discussion? We all need to agree that there is no starting point for bilateral discussion on this.
     
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    There is already a beef ban in Kashmir. Kashmiri Muslims, most of them descendents of Pandits converted centuries ago traditionally don't eat beef. Beef was banned during the regime of Sultan Zainal Abedin centuries nago and eve now Kashmir has a beef ban. Jammu can be Saffronized but not predominantly Muslim Kashmir.
     
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    Kashmir conflict - Wikipedia

    Instrument of accession was a condition to fight the battle of Maharaja. It wasn't an unconditional help. It is like asking Bangaladesh should become part of India to help. India didn't do that in 1971. Prior to that, Pakistan already claimed the territory from Maharaja through armed revolt. If this is undisputed territory, why did UN send its team during the war immediately after 1947?

    Particularly, please read this portion of Wiki. Mostly, people believe Muslim terrorists are terrorizing the region but Indian military also has done many human rights violation.

    "According to scholars, Indian forces have committed many human rights abuses and acts of terror against Kashmiri civilian population including extrajudicial killing, rape, torture and enforced disappearances.[16][23][24] According to Amnesty International, no member of the Indian military deployed in Jammu and Kashmir has been tried for human rights violations in a civilian court as of June 2015, although there have been military court martials held.[25] Amnesty International has also accused the Indian government of refusing to prosecute perpetrators of abuses in the region.[26]"

    Indian news agency would never give this news to the people of India.

    In this circumstances, how your argument holds good that majority of J & K likes to be with India? India needs to establish a relationship with this people before shaking up Article 370.
     
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    Viswa , there are three gtroups of Muslims in the state: Kadshmiri Muslims, a section of who wouldn't mind accession to Pakistan or a separate state, and Jammu Muslims and Muslims of Kargil Ladakh who have nothing to do with the insurgency. If you take muslims as a whole I think except in the valley, those outsid it aren't alienated from Indi but who knows if BJP blindly tries to saffronize the area, things may change.
     
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    Jammu Muslims and Kargil Ladakh Muslims are peace lovers just like other Muslims in India. I agree on that point. But religion does wonders when a fellow Muslim families (in Kashmir) are abused by the Indian military. Besides, forcing something on them by the Saffron party might result in them rethinking the idea to be with India. They may decide to be independent as it remains disputed territory until today despite UN intervention in 1947 and Simla Agreement immediately after 1971 Bangladesh war.

    Economically, it makes sense for entire Kashmir to be with India as Pakistan is a bankrupt country.
     
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    If BJP wants to win the confidence of J &K Muslims it should convince them that t this is indeed a country where minorities are treated fairly . But neither the situation elsewhere in India nor what is happening in the Kashmir valley are exactly confidence building measures.
     
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    So true. Even though he was in Congress at tat time there was development in Karnataka. But not anymore
     
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    Dear Balajee,

    I am reading a different interpretation of the effects of abrogation of Article 370 by Indian Government from the news released from the UK and the US. You live in Delhi and perhaps, you might hear some grapevine messages. I understand when accession was given, Article 370 was negotiated until the people of Kashmir are comfortable settling with majority Hindu country by the King as he wanted to be fair and equitable to all people. Now abrogation of Article 370 would result in revocation of accession agreement and hence make Kashmir valley independent. Did the Government consider this aspect of the accession agreement? I have not read the Accession Agreement myself as it is too legal for me.

    Instrument of Accession (Jammu and Kashmir) - Wikipedia
     
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    Not denying anything asking you just fact check and citing the KP stories as told by KPs or their spokesperson ...
     
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