Nuclear Family Back To Late-start Joint-family

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  1. startinganew

    startinganew Gold IL'ite

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    Love it, @Rihana!
    So, so, so much happening in the dynamics - thank you for taking time out to detail it all - and saying it as-is.

    The wonderful thing about this list is that - it tells one (from the middle-generation) - hey, this can happen which makes it easier to handle it with calm and composure and have a plan of action when and if it does.

    But here is my monkey brain - this is the middle-generation point of view. What about the grandparents point of view? Of course we can postulate. Who can be a spoke-person of what they would really want in their new homes (of course sharing in a public forum without hurting or pointing fingers at any one is a double-edged sword). Maybe daughters sharing stories of their "parents" who moved in to the son + dil's home: I wish my parents were treated a little differently/I wish this one specific resource/facility to make their lives better/easier etc. Or grandparents sharing their's peers situations rather than their own.
     
  2. Rihana

    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Not sure if postulate means it is OK to guess/imagine what the gp's (grandparents) would really want in their new homes. A few that come to mind, written from the pov of them/me as a gp, : ) who has moved in or about to move in:

    - to my son/daughter: I understand you are busy with your life and are responsible for so many things and so many people. I am not a tenant or a paying-guest. I would like to spend time with you regularly and some of it just you and me 1-1. Let's see how we can achieve that.

    - to my child's partner: Thank you for welcoming me into your home. It wouldn't have happened without your support and approval. It is a big change for you. A change you have taken up willingly (I hope). You will have to share your spouse's available time with me also. What can we do to avoid stepping on each other's toes?

    - about my other child: Dear child with whom I am now living, you have made quite some compromises to have me (and you father?) move in with you and your family. Appreciate it. But, our love and bond with your sibling remains the same. You are not very close to him/her since you both started your own families, and that is fine. We would like to maintain a close relationship with our other child even while living with you.
     
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    jayasala42 IL Hall of Fame

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    We had a two room flat in Chennai city proper, purchased 50 years back for less than a lakh.The flat was in dilapidated condition. Out of 8 flats seven were willing to sell and one was not inclined.There was constant struggle for three long years.Ultimately, a good day arrived.We were fortunate to get an international cricket player of Tamilnadu who was prepared to buy all the seven flats and deal with the eighth person on his own and he paid the amt full in DD.Of course all the seven incurred a loss of Rs 7 to 8 lakhs each,Yet the dealing was smooth.
    We invested the amt in a senior citizens' home 40 Km s away from the city,spent some three lakhs to furnish. We have moved into the Home recently to have a first hand experience of Senior cItizens' Home living.My husband is in early eighties and is under constant medication for cerebral haemorrage. I am 78, so far healthy. Both of our children are abroad and have teen aged children.They have settled abroad,With our health issues we don't intend applying for Green Card etc and be a source of burden to them.
    My DIL and SIL are very nice people and we maintain a good rapport.
    If that relationship is to continue for ever, we thought that we look after ourselves.

    There is a renouned hospital within 5 kms. For ordinary illness like fever etc, a doctor couple, residents of senior Citizens' home ,have daily consultation for 2 hours. Permanent qualified nurse is there.There is ambulance to take the patient to the hospital in case of emergency.At every flat there is emergency phone and maintenance people are working 24x7..The food is palatable , with less salt and chillis, easily digestible by the oldies.The menu is decided by the diet committee who take care of the diabetics and cardiac patients in mind.Greens, banana stems are regular parts of menu.
    We have a kitchen in each flat provided with tube gas,If the menu noted in the notice board is totally variant to our taste, on rare occasions, I cook at home.With lot of greeneries all around, we have a pleasant walk for three km every day.Gym, Activity Centre, Chess, carrom, Tennis courts are there. Every month they have two movies,. There is yoga and physiotherapy sessions in between for people who have suffered fracture. We can have their service at our flat for Rs 200 per session.
    For entertainment, we have puzzles sessions, anthakshari,picture viewing etc etc. Monthly twice they have lectures by medico specialists in various fields.
    The life seems to be quite ok for us.Nothing to grudge.I find another IL is there catering to various interests/aptitudes. Mostly people are Tamilians with similar culture and background.All are sailing in the same boat with one or two children settled in North India/abroad.

    When we conveyed our decision, my son and DIL hesiated
    a bit. Last year when my son visited India, we took him to this home.He stayed with us for three days. He also felt the ambience to be very good with nearly 10 acres of open area with lots and lots of trees with specially carved rough non slippery walk ways.
    On any day, one has to be the survivor. This will be an ideal option under such circumstances. The flat is nearly 1000 sq.ft with a big hall and two bed room with attached bath.Even if children come here for vacation, they can stay with us.There is lot of play area.

    We just thought of this as a contingency plan and also to avoid capital gains tax on sale proceeds of our old flat.
    With nearly 6 months' stay here intermittently, we find it comfortable ,safe and secure.
    Myself having been born and brought up in a very big joint family of 25 people in a big house without electricity, we had to think many times before taking this step. For the past 5 years we had been in constant touch with many such homes and had in depth study. Finally our destination was reached.
    We don't have any regrets.Actually we are very much satisfied and happy here.

    jayasala42
     
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    Happy to read your post. I too believe that one shouldn't go to some far away country, away from our own familiar grounds for a retirement life.
    Your situation looks good.
    May you live long, keep in touch with us in this forum, and prosper.:kissingheart:
     
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    startinganew Gold IL'ite

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    Dear @jayasala42 Aunty (may I? :relaxed:)

    I can't thank you enough for sharing your story. I feel like I can fully picture your beautiful new home and the surroundings very well. I feel like I met you on one of the benches in the greenery surrounding your complex and you sat me down and just chose me to share your story with.

    I like that the apartment is spacious so you can have visitors. I like that there is a kitchen too if you don't like the food served in the community. Great choice on the specific complex. Just like your well-thought out snippets on so many aspects of life, I learn that you are the kind of person - who would spend 5 years on the research of such an important decision in their life. Hats off to you on living life well. :clapclap::clap2:

    Quoting just the amenities from your post:

    ...Gym, Activity Centre, Chess, carrom, Tennis courts are there....
    ...Every month they have two movies...
    ...There is yoga and physiotherapy sessions in between for people who have suffered fracture. We can have their service at our flat for Rs 200 per session...
    ....For entertainment, we have puzzles sessions, anthakshari, picture viewing etc etc.
    ...Monthly twice they have lectures by medico specialists in various fields...
    ... the ambience to be very good with nearly 10 acres of open area with lots and lots of trees with specially carved rough non slippery walk ways.
    ...Permanent qualified nurse is there.
    ...There is ambulance to take the patient to the hospital in case of emergency.
    ...At every flat there is emergency phone and maintenance people are working 24x7..
    ...The food is palatable , with less salt and chillis, easily digestible by the oldies.
    ...The menu is decided by the diet committee who take care of the diabetics and cardiac patients in mind. Greens, banana stems are regular parts of menu...



    The above set of amenities encompasses such a wide-gamut of human needs - housekeeping help, entertainment, exercise for the body and mind, medical needs and awareness, nutritional needs - this truly feels like a very well-planed and implemented, luxury home for a person of any age.
     
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    Thank you for your good wishes.The decision taken under the present circumstances after deep analysis seems good for the present. We like to spend most of our time here with intermittent visit to the city to have a look at the bank accounts, renewal of FDs etc etc.
    In my experience, the suitability of any decision is a relative phenomenon. Under crisis, when we don't even have time to think and act, we just are forced to take some steps guided by our conscience with the general 'good' of the family members.Some unseen force helps us and our unplanned steps prove to be a success.

    On the contrary some decisions taken after long thought process may not be that much successful.If we are prepared to accept the pros and cons, we can manage any situation with grit.
    jayasala42
     
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    Thank you for your good wishes.
    jayasala 42
     
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    armummy Platinum IL'ite

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    From my experience — don’t expect any thank yous, at least last generation GPS think it is duty of children to take care of parents ...

    They will be upset if you try to show it or make them feel in any way that you are doing a favor ...

    they are not some statues in the house that you can ignore them and go about your life as if they don’t exist

    they expect to be involved or atleast be informed about major things and decisions happening in the house ... it will be taken badly if you just announce or inform after everything is done ...

    they will want you to show them importance and they would like to feel that they are important part of your life

    They would like to feel that they are contributing in someway at least providing wisdom ...try and see where you can seek their advise ...

    fighting with thier child in front of them will be taken as personal offense ... so arguments should take place elsewhere
     
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    startinganew Gold IL'ite

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    Great points, @armummy. These are also tricky and hard to follow when situations at home get tough in themselves.
    I have definitely been bitten by a few of my own mistakes in this regard. Still need to get better at these. Thank you for the very valuable reminders! :thumbup:
     

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