Natural conception irrespective of amh

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  1. rajnik28

    rajnik28 Senior IL'ite

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    hi neeru

    on my recent visit to the clinic
    i met a lady, she had normal amh and all other major reports were also normal; but still she couldn't conceive.
    she told me that her egg formation is very poor
    eggs are usually very small or of poor shape and poor quality.

    we had a long conversation; and through that i realized that amh can go up or down; it is not fixed.

    i did a lot of study online on this issue and i found many of such similar stories.
    eg just like in pcod, amh increases but as pcod resolves the amh value comes down.
    so i think it fluctuates.
    similarly AMH shows a dip around midcycle post ovulation
    and this seems very logical as all other small follicles undergo atresia to select a dominant follicle.

    so this means

    WHEN WE ARE PLANNING FOR NATURAL CONCEPTION THEN AMH HOLDS NO IMPORTANCE !!

    so there are two tracks for ttc

    1. natural conception: in which we need only one healthy egg and one healthy sperm.

    2. IVF : which needs multiple eggs to make multiple embryos.

    SO WE NEED TO CHOOSE THE TRACK FIRST AND THEN PLAN OUR TREATMENT ACCORDINGLY.

    i also saw a lot of cases in which natural conception was seen to happen irrespective of amh......:)
    this has made me relaxed and has increased my confidence.
    i have stopped worrying about amh now
    because i wish to go for natural conception..

    healthy uterus,
    healthy ovaries
    healthy egg ie. NATURAL EGG FORMATION
    ( without stimulation medicines or artificial hormones)

    this is what i need and thats it ...

    whats your thought on this issue???

    sorry for such a long post but i wanted to speak my heart out...


    plz do respond..
     
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  2. vidyamohit

    vidyamohit Senior IL'ite

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    hi rajni

    i am vidya,
    actually i have recently started taking treatment from suntex clinic for natural conception.
    although my amh is low but i am not paying any attention to it because i have already understood the same point which you are trying to explain. just like you i also did a lot of study on this topic.
    after doing my online research, i decided to follow the natural track.

    in my opinion
    rajni if you want everything really fast then go for the amh track(ivf), but that also does not carry very good success rates.
    so its like aar ya paar but really fast.

    and if you want the natural way then its slow and demands patience but its safe and wont have any side effects.

    so its upto you to decide.

    and what about your husband's report? is he ok?
    see you need to look into so many aspects before you decide.

    all the very best.
     
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    sugugiri2010 Gold IL'ite

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    Hi

    That was really a good piece of information.. Hope some of our ILs will be benefited with this message... And all the best for ur TTC.

     
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    amicably Bronze IL'ite

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    nice piece of info @rajnik28. if the amh fluctuates in a cycle then what's the best time / day that one should go for amh test so that it gives us correct information. Or you mean to say it is not relevant at all no need to go for amh test?
     
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    Maggilg Senior IL'ite

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    Hello @rajnik28,

    My story is similar to the lady u mentioned. I had slight low end of normal Amh and all other hormones and test normal and had very poor egg quality when I was 26-27. Had 3 horrible Ivf cycles resulting in very very poor embryos but I found out I was pregnant (naturally) the month I was starting donor cycle.
    As per my understanding Amh is not the only factor that measures egg quantity. Amh along with follicle count b/w day 2-7 of our cycle is a better indicator. Even though it varies slightly every month it gives a proper insight about our ovarian reserve. low Amh doesn't mean we can't conceive naturally. If a person is ovulating naturally(even with low Amh) and has a proper embryo environment you can get pregnant and this applies even when the male partner is having low sperm count.
    Amh and follicle count can be affected when you have low vit d levels, stress (both were a factors in my life).
    If you a in mid twenties with low Amh but average egg quantity you can try natural ttc. But if you are in 30's and low Amh and low or very low egg reserve and raising fsh it's better to speed up the process.
     
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    rajnik28 Senior IL'ite

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    hi sugugiri
    thanx for the reply.
    i need some more info on this from you all ILites.
    anyways
    thanx for the praise:)
    bye
     
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    rajnik28 Senior IL'ite

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    hi vidyamohit

    welcome to indusladies.
    thank you for the reply.
    i am trying to gather more and more opinions on this issue before i decide.
    this is my nature, i prefer to talk think and discuss alot on any issue before i proceed to decision making.
    and so far in life this has helped me many times.

    since the past few days my inclination is towards natural conception.
    as i feel that there are lot of pros in this option.
    by the way do tell me more about your case and your experience at suntex so far..
    see you soon.
     
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    rajnik28 Senior IL'ite

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    hi amicably

    first of all thank you for the reply.

    amh fluctuates within a cycle
    and also in different cycles.
    you can find many women online who noticed this.

    dear as i said amh is imp but only when you plan for ivf
    otherwise if we plan for natural conception then its of no use.
    so its conditional.

    for me amh holds no significance now because i am not planning for ivf instead i am considering treatment for natural conception.

    i hope i have answered your query.
    bye.
     
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    rajnik28 Senior IL'ite

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    hi magging

    first of all a big congrats on your pregnancy. god bless you dear.
    and one more thanx for your reply.

    wonderful explanation you gave,
    i am really impressed.
    its like your thoughts seem to match mine.
    i fully agree with you;
    NATURAL OVULATION IS MORE IMPORTANT THAN AMH.

    when this happens, all the hormones are bound to be normal, otherwise natural ovulation wouldnt have occurred.

    however if the amh value is in traces or very low then it is important to focus on amh first and then we can expect healthy egg formation.

    cos at the end its the egg which will fuse with the sperm. not the amh.:)

    regards,
    byeeee
     
  10. neeru787

    neeru787 Senior IL'ite

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    hi rajni

    you have expressed your thought very clearly
    this deserves an applause.

    i agree with you ; but in my case i had to pay some atentipn on amh because it was very low and the ultrasound scans were not showing any follicle formation.
    so i asked dr uppal to help me out.

    he said initially he ll give me a small trialdose for some time and simultaneously introduced my ayurvedic formulations for egg formation based on my body type.

    he also advised us to continue our personal life normally and said the meetings must be performed out of natural desire not just for the sake to achieve pregnancy.

    now before i could check my amh , I CONCIEVED.
    this means amh must have gone up ; egg reserve must have been conserved or we can say restored and then it was used for healthy egg formation.

    so i can again say that your big post is absolutely correct.
    very accurate inference you hv done.
    because your formula seems to fit in all ttc couples.
    this can help them decide their track.

    when is drastically low then its important;
    but A HEALTHY EGG IS MUCH MUCH MORE IMPORTANT THAN AMH.!!

    very nice post rajni
    great going
    all the best.
     
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