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Discussion in 'Education & Personal Growth' started by Gauri03, Jul 23, 2014.

  1. Viswamitra

    Viswamitra IL Hall of Fame

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    @sokanasanah,

    I took the Saint+Pillar clue as you just described and reached Meher Baba. He is also known as Qutub (Sufism). In his later life, he spent most time in the western world as an indication of the Cross in your clues. He called his movement within India with his followers after a car accident mysteriously as "New Life" and the followers as "Masts".

    Note: I blame the professor for giving the clue Qutub Minar in addition to the pillar sending me in a wrong track. Therefore, I expect him to curve my grade.
     
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    I tried but honestly couldn't crack it


     
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    sokanasanah IL Hall of Fame

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    I made an effort to find a pic that had the Qutub Minar in the background as misdirection! :lol:It was easy enough to get photographs of the Iron Pillar by itself. I rejected that as too obvious for a clue.

    "Qutub", by the way, translates as "pole" but in the sense of a "Pole Star", "pivot", or "axis" (like the earth's pole or axis of rotation) - not "pole" as in "post" or "pillar". That would be the "minar" bit - the important clue part! :wink1:

    "Masts" also is not "pillar" or "post" or the mast of a ship - it is not a hard, palatal 't', but the soft dental fricative 'th'. In Urdu or Persian, it is "مشت" = "मस्त" in Hindi (transliterated as "Masth"). It means "intoxicated", in a cheerful sense, as in "Mast Mohabbat" ("मस्त मोहब्बत"), i.e., "Intoxicating Love". In the Sufi and Meher Baba context, this refers to "Mast-Allah" or "Intoxicated by God", ("Mast-Meher" in his case!!). So, you may have been misled by a hurried misreading of a Persian word transliterated into English!

    If you had tried to reconcile the other clues, you might have figured it out since you certainly had the important ones right!
    :beer-toast1:
     
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    Simeon (A poem by the Greek poet Cosntantine Cavafy)

    Yes, I know his new poems;
    all Beirut is raving about them.
    I'll study them some other day.
    I can't today because I'm rather upset.
    Certainly he's more learned in Greek than Libanius.
    A better poet than Meleager though? I wouldn't say so.
    But Mebis, why talk about Libanius
    and books and all these trivialities?
    Mebis, yesterday (it happened by chance)
    I found myself under Simeon's pillar.
    I slipped in among the Christians
    praying and worshipping in silence there,
    revering him. Not being a Christian myself
    I couldn't share their spiritual peace-
    I trembled all over and suffered;
    I shuddered, disturbed, completely caught up.
    Please don't smile; for thirty-five years -think of it-
    winter and summer, night and day, for thirty-five years
    he's been living, suffering, on top of a pillar.
    Before either of us was born (I'm twenty-nine,
    you must be younger than me),
    before we were born, just imagine it,
    Simeon climbed up his pillar
    and has stayed there ever since facing God.
    I'm in no mood for work today-
    but Mebis, I think it better that you tell them this:
    whatever the other sophists may say,
    I at least recognize Lamon
    as Syria's leading poet.
     
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    No harm done! The puzzle is simply an excuse to share interesting stories. I try to make slightly tricky, and one hopes rewarding but never obscure puzzles. So, I retested the clues in a private-browsing mode, with Safari, on Duck-Duck-Go (rather than Google). "Pillar + Saint" still brings up the Stylites and St. Simeon among the top hits. The clues weren't too arcane! :wink1:
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    I meant to "joke" - the pole (as in pillar) hero star (the saint)! :flushed:

    My clue, after that explanation, now just looks like a sentence horribly gone wrong with comma mistake I suppose! :facepalm: :lol:

    In my defense, the puzzle pic I had downloaded to solve didn't have the "Qutub" at all! :wink1:
     
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    Yes, I added that a bit later to make the clues simpler. Um er-Rasas is almost impossible to research if you don't already know it. The photograph is almost featureless. That picture is of historical interest and works as a confirmatory clue. Plus, in this case, "pillar" is an easier keyword than "tower", which is the first word that comes to mind. More on this later.
    I gave you the benefit of the doubt. There were two ways to read it:
    "Atop-the-pole Star"
    "Atop the Pole-Star"
    The second does not make sense. The Qutub response was for Viswa. I have heard of Meher Baba, but I did not know that he was referred to as Qutub. So, that part did not come into play at all.
     
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    @sokanasanah,

    You need to Google more. No, Soka, Meher Baba is referred to as Qutub by his followers. Persian word "Qutub" also means "Center of all", the pivot. It also meant perfect master (Qutub) and he included himself as one of the perfect masters. Perfect Master is the English term Meher Baba began to use in his writing as early as 1925 to denote the Eastern idea of a sadguru or a qutub ().A Perfect Master, according to Baba, is a God-realized person (one whose limited individualized consciousness has merged with God) who can use his Divine attributes of Infinite Power, Knowledge and Bliss for the spiritual upliftment of others.
     
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    Yes. I was trying to say that I learned that from your post. I did not know it at the time of composing the puzzle. I knew of Meher Baba in the barest outlines, from some reading about Blavatsky and the Theosophists. He struck me as a bit of a Koot Hoomi himself, very real though he was, unlike Koot.:lol:
    Yes, acknowledged above in Post #8543.

    The Qutub Minar seems to have made a deeper impression on you than I intended, but then the misdirection "worked"! :biggrin:
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    I found this one simpler than most of Dr S' previous puzzles. I tried a few keywords for the first image - yogi, sage, ascetic, saint + pillar, tower. The Basilica reminded me of Palmyra in Syria so I added Syria to my search. Found it right away. Glad I solved it before the Qutub minar was added. Would have thrown me off track had I seen it.
     
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