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Gabfest: And Thereby Hangs A Tail

Discussion in 'Education & Personal Growth' started by Cimorene, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. Iravati

    Iravati Platinum IL'ite

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    Last time as well you promised, there, there I will take you to the zoo and buy you ice cream. No zoo, not even animal museum. You realise that zoo is a hard bargain this time unless I get to choose the ice cream flavour and you don't fret on my dressing up in minion outfit (with glasses).
     
  2. sokanasanah

    sokanasanah Finest Post Winner

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    Obviously, you are no student of the "Art of the Deal".:roflmao:
    Sure, why would I balk at your Minion outfit avec glasses? I could be all gravely avuncular with my demented charge, garnering sympathetic approval. (And, you may have multiple scoops of different flavors).:wink1:
     
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    I have a lot to say about preventing negative Watson and why I considered Devil's advocate and Narada comment as possitive. My argument about Devil's advocate is the Church's practice than anything to do with Watson. I still have no WiFi and I will present my defense.
     
  4. Rihana

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    Viswa, so nice to read the update from you, and am glad power is back. For a fleeting moment, I thought after all the storm here in thread, you might not show up even after Irma is reduced to Category negative one. : )
     
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    @Rihana,

    I don't hide or run from the problems. I deal with them as part of life. All I need is more time to settle down.
     
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    JAG: why do want XYZ?
    Surely it cannot be because of ABC.


    Above simplification comes across as a directional gambit which is fine. You are fortifying your inquiry with an optional conjecture, which can further be confirmed or denied. However, this is your constructed analogy. This analogy when flipped is seemingly not what the original text implied. The analogy is distorted. A faithful and finer analogy is

    JAG: why do want XYZ?
    I cannot believe that XYZ should be discussed owing to ABC.


    Followed by a false sense of repudiation: you are vetoing someone's earlier proposition that XYZ should be discussed for ABC and not inquiring anew about ABC.

    Rihana is not stuck at
    Rihana: How can u say I want ABC?

    She is incessant in different forms, in different postures, in different tunes and contesting that the optional lead could not have briskly conveyed "Surely it cannot be because of ABC". In this instance, the original expression obscures the intent reproduced in the analogy. Rihana is trying to tell, though your intent could have been that, it was not represented thus. Hence, she is clinging to that particular quote (style and implication in the quote) to explain that though you think you meant "Surely it cannot be because of ABC" (unchained inquisitive), the original sentence, as it stands, lends itself very feeble to such freestanding intent, may be because of a hurried construct, but it resonates misdirection with "I cannot believe that XYZ should be discussed owing to ABC" (chained affirmative). This is what Rihana is persisting for you to see that the original text is far off to be perceived with such standalone intent. I do agree with Rihana that the original construct no way stands for what you intended to convey when taken at face value. Damn that chrome on Mac, don't abandon Windows yet.

    P.S: I refrain from such belabour or cross-examining in IL. However, I am part of another funny group where such debates on language constructs is common. This ongoing tease out of expressions also fits well with the original query on why online critique is perilous. Really, is it dangerous with the right-minded people? Surely, critique may not be empowering as spiritual or intellectual transition because it is only a visiting dialogue parallel to one's inner monologue. We just did that here with XYZ and ABC. Upto the individual to take it spirited or be slighted at such critical yet unmalicious perspective.
     
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    Perhaps, as the discussion meandered like the mighty Ganges from the mountains to the plains and beyond, Friday to the weekend to the week... "Watson" and "critique" have got merged into one. They are separate. Watson is a half-line "category" come up with for a member. Critique is a paragraph long for a mortal, and a chapter book for an emperor.
     
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    With me, re the Watsons, yes, nothing left to discuss. With Ira, re the critiques, perhaps something left.

    A suggested line of questioning:

    JAG: "Ira, what is the intent of/behind offering critiques to volunteers?" "Rihana, what is the intent of/behind volunteering to receive critique?"
     

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