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A Not So Intellectual On Jallikkattu & Tamil Unity

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Jan 22, 2017 #31

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Viswamitra said: ↑

Dear GG,

Radha Rajan's statement is unpardonable, senseless and disgraceful description of those women who have the right to fight for what they strongly believe in. There is no question that genetically modified food is not healthy for any one of us. However, where is the evidence that taming a bull by a few men in an event makes the bull become stronger to inseminate and make the cows deliver calves? Has it been scientifically proved? Also, I am not familiar with PeTA's operation in India but in general, PeTA has brought some very good changes in the operations of farms, pharmaceutical, leather and many other industries. It is my humble view that there is no clear evidence that PeTA's intent to ban JK is only to promote foreign products in India. Isn't it run by the Indians in India? If they are corrupt, why would the government not take action against them? Besides, how can foreign products enter India without the government duly-elected by the people approving such products? Don't India have the system of displaying the products as genetically modified so that people can make an informed decision before buying them?

There is nothing wrong in asking for JK in Tamilnadu as a tradition as long as there is assurance that there will never be cruelty to the bulls involved. If people with six senses can assure that the bulls will not be drugged, rules will be followed like in sports, etc., perhaps, the court itself wouldn't ban JK.

In my view, it is more important for the citizens to respect the decisions of the justice system. Peaceful protests are okay to communicate it to the government. But there should be time given for the government and judicial systems to act after conveying the message and the act of conducting the demonstrations until the decision is reversed is an act of coercion and defiance to the justice system. We have to remember that even when Mahatma Gandhi disobeyed the laws of the land when British Ruled, he did it to convey the message to the British Rulers and always pleaded guilty to the charges as he considered his acts as civil disobedience.

There is nothing that could be solved by disrupting normal life and spending time on the streets forever as opposed to the students educating themselves. The right approach should be to select a few leaders and discuss it with the government or file a public-interest petition in the court of law.

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it is a celebration on the whole V, just not the insemination. it is also a part of the celebration.

let me put it simple - would we allow someone to ban us from practicing our religion and belief systems and force an alternate??? tradition and culture is no different from that.

this is the beginning to fight against all those corrupt systems by the youth of Tamizhnadu.

imagine instead of this calm and quiet approach, this had been otherwise what would have happened?

unplanned, unorganized, leaderless upraise it is, leaders from this will emerge soon for the betterment of the society is the hope. the courts on most occasions here are in favor of the ruling parties.

let rules be framed, governed and necessary action be taken where required. we will hope for the best.

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Jallikattu: Why India bullfighting ban 'threatens native breeds' - BBC News

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...-the-fight-really-is-for/articleshow/56706727.

This is how the economy of Jallikattu works - The Economic Times

( I know of two people other than him who are into the same and have launched their milk in Chenni and are a boon for many because we have many adults recently developinglactose intolerance )

Jallikattu, the New York Times and the cultural war against Hinduism

A few simple articles for reference

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https://scroll.in/article/827277/fa...-cattle-milk-might-not-cause-cancer-or-autism

A fun loving active girl of six years has suddenly become dull, and it really pinches your heart to see her tired all the time. She has no energy and no enthusiasm to do the things she loved so much that she is moody. Going on 7 and the girl has thyroid and diabetes and a prime candidate of pcos when she hits puberty according to her doctor.. A pure vegetarian who does not eat pizzA does not know burgers nor sauces. The culprit was the milk. The kid drank only the state owned cooperatives milk that even paediatricians recommended. I know the girl and feel bad so much because she is a representative of the future.

I won't lay the fault on milk alone but it definitely is suspected to be one in her case( if you think differently,well let us agree to disagree).

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Dear GG,

It is an apple to orange comparison. Peaceful practice of religion can never be compared with culture of torturing animals. Moreover, when the rituals or even teachings in the religions for that matter are criticized by the atheists, the people have been so tolerant in Tamilnadu. When Periyar organized procession where the Hindu God's were beaten with slippers, didn't Hindus stay tolerant? Didn't we peacefully coexisted with Islamic, Sikh, Jain and Christian brothers and sisters? The question is why so much of fervor and hype in the media for shaking up the culture that too by the court?

One man, one wife is also a Tamil culture but how many men are openly living with more than one woman? Where did this culture go, when men make fun of women sitting in the street corners? Why no one objected when IPL started with scantly clad women dancing in the middle of the crowd In CSK cricket ground? When the Tamilians adapted the culture of celebrating Valentine's day with all Western styled attitude, why no one took to the street to raise objection? Aren't we celebrating the New Year Eve on the street with alcohol and food on the streets? My issue is Tamils being so selective in choosing their fight to defend the culture especially when it is in the court. We have to understand as the times change, so are the thoughts and views of the people.

Viswa

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Viswamitra said: ↑

Dear GG,

It is an apple to orange comparison. Peaceful practice of religion can never be compared with culture of torturing animals. Moreover, when the rituals or even teachings in the religions for that matter are criticized by the atheists, the people have been so tolerant in Tamilnadu. When Periyar organized procession where the Hindu God's were beaten with slippers, didn't Hindus stay tolerant? Didn't we peacefully coexisted with Islamic, Sikh, Jain and Christian brothers and sisters? The question is why so much of fervor and hype in the media for shaking up the culture that too by the court?

One man, one wife is also a Tamil culture but how many men are openly living with more than one woman? Where did this culture go, when men make fun of women sitting in the street corners? Why no one objected when IPL started with scantly clad women dancing in the middle of the crowd In CSK cricket ground? When the Tamilians adapted the culture of celebrating Valentine's day with all Western styled attitude, why no one took to the street to raise objection? Aren't we celebrating the New Year Eve on the street with alcohol and food on the streets? My issue is Tamils being so selective in choosing their fight to defend the culture especially when it is in the court. We have to understand as the times change, so are the thoughts and views of the people.

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i respect your views but do not accept, as u differ from mine. no issues i suppose.

u have mentioned about tolerance and periyar - now the youth aren't ready to accept what is forced upon them - welcome development, u should feel happy truly. a community was calling the shots and deprived the untouchables and those happened - this is a bigger one to discuss about and would refrain from that here.

hope youngsters realize and would realize the ill effects of those that u mentioned and move in the right path.

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On a separate note he does support creativity (in tamil) by giving out cash awards from his own pocket in another tamil forum

Sorry to mention this @GoogleGlass
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it's ok ls - as long as my anonymity is guaranteed

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OK, I had never heard of Radha Rajan until I read the posts above, so I went back and looked at a snippet from her interview (?) here (in Tamizh). What she's saying there is quite harmless. Her point is that no matter what the issue, you can get people to assemble in support of it. Such a gathering cannot by itself legitimize the issue in question; it remains open to debate. I find this unobjectionable.

Of course, she mentioned 'sex' and that too of a 'free' variety - woooooh ! And everyone got excited. Oooh la, la. What I think she really tried to say was that, even if one were to lobby for an outrageous position, like free sex, which is against prevailing moral standards, one could get people to come out in support of it - i.e. 'free sex' is objectionable in Indian society, but you can still find some people to come out in support of it. That does not make it right. Similarly, her position is that even if people gather in favor of jallikkattu, that does not vitiate a ban by the courts on grounds of animal cruelty (I haven't followed the issue. I don't know whether a ban is in place or pending). Nothing she said demeans women or Tamizh culture.

As for the jallikkattu itself, this comes across to me, uninformed as I am, as another case of elites trying to ram down the throats of 'country hicks' ideas that they are not quite ready for. It invites a reactionary backlash of just the sort that got Trump elected. I am a tree-hugging vegetarian, but I think there may perhaps be a more pressing issue or two to address in Tamil Nadu.
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if she had mentioned that on a different discussion and not in context with this, it is a free expression of her views. she is in lime light and is a reason for the upraise and she chose to utter out of context to hurt the sentiments of the protesters.

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it's ok ls - as long as my anonymity is guaranteed
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anonymity is what keeps us expressing our views without hindrance and will not put any flex (billboard) for you

None of us write here expecting any awards ...

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Anyone for watching scantily clad men hugging bull ? I liked the older version where there was no printed T-shirts on men, belonging to some team. If there are five in a team, and only one bride on the offer, well... it is good thing that there'd been a precedent for that.

When the court can set rules about people having to stand up in movie theatres for the playing of the National Anthem, no wonder they want to stop people from hugging bulls. Sad. The court should stay out of such things. It would be a sad day if they lift the ban and force the bull huggers to wear helmets and pads, like batters in cricket. And with what the SC gets involved in these days, we can even expect the SC to force all the bulls of TN to wear helmets and side shields when they engage in this sport.

I want to see bare chested men in langotte. (this is the french spelling for that article of clothing).

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@Nonya you missed out the well oiled and real six pack bods

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