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Discussion in 'Relationship With In-Laws' started by SeekingMind, Sep 26, 2016.

  1. SeekingMind

    SeekingMind Silver IL'ite

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    The daughter is willing to stay in that house with her husband and 2 kids. She says since the property is not in brother's name, so she has equal right over it as her brother and other sister and if she wants to remodel the upstairs where she is planning to stay, she should be allowed to do so. The son is against any remodeling and giving her right.
     
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    Rihana Moderator Staff Member IL Hall of Fame

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    Reading your previous posts, this does not seem to be the case. He does not "want" his sister to take care of his mom. His mom is currently able to live alone. She is fine with living along with a hired help for now. The son is OK with his sister taking care of his mom, and is willing to help towards that by buying his mother an apartment near where she lives. So don't paint son as 'wants sister to take care of his mom, but not willing to let her stay in that house.'

    I feel sorry for the son living abroad, and the choices he faces, and the process towards achieving any of those. It is easy to write off 1.x crores, but when you think of that appreciating even more and you are writing off your children's rightful share... sleep in the night goes out the window.
     
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    SeekingMind Silver IL'ite

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    Even I empathize with the son's situation. But, also feel sorry for the daughter who took care of the dying father and now taking care of the aged mother but anytime the property issue comes up she is seen as an outsider, a girl who should be in her limits and someone greedy for her share.
     
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    no re-modeling.period.until things sorted out.Actually it's not advisable to touch the property until things settle down.It's very healthy to let live mother in that house with help of some one and give time to everyone and also to mom.Mom shouldn't get influenced by people around her.She should able to think through and put her foot down in good state of mind.

    And also daughters shouldn't extend there hand without there capacity.Only extend the hand into there ability and capacity.If they can't do something and just say it - and all the kids should decide and do the best.Just don't take single handy all the burden and slip other siblings away from there responsibility.If it's much burden on you - just spill it out.
     
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    @SeekingMind : Scenarios where the siblings refuse to vacate houses is a reality. It is unfortunate that the mother's wish of staying in her house is not fulfilled. But the son's fears are not unfounded from the sister's attitude right now. She is claiming equal rights on the house and getting it remodeled - when she is as yet outside the house and a claimant to only a quarter share. In India getting a house vacated is next to impossible. From what I have understood from your posts the sister is neither simple nor easy. The sister once gets inside the house will be extremely difficult to evict. What if she or better her husband or son in the future refuse to leave the house in the future? Those people who condemn the son today for keeping his mother out of the house today - will the same people be able to get the son even his quarter share tomorrow? I doubt. Which relative would intervene and risk bad blood with the son in law? And would the son be able to come from India to fight a protracted legal battle?

    What about the other sister in US? Does she not have a responsibility? When daughters claim equal rights over parents property, do they not have equal responsibilities for their parents - both financially and physically? Is all love only for money? Why does nobody talk of her irresponsibility of leaving the parents in India? Why are she and her husband not dragged over coals for absolving themselves from their duties? She will gain equally from the legal division of assets. Here we are talking of a moral division - not a legal division. She is as much a part of it as the brother and the sister in India.
     
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    How selfish some are? All these years son was not physically near to his parents due to his job career etc., And all the responsibility of looking after parents needs was shouldered by his sister in India. Though their father never financially depended on the children but emotional and physical needs were taken care of by the daughter. Now, when father dies, son all of a sudden sees sister as outsider, tries desperately to protect his property. And, think of the poor Son in law. If he hadn't cooperated, would the daughter attend to her father? Son is finally proving an opportunist.
     
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    As per what @joylokhi in her posts said, the property belongs now equally to all 4. mother and 3 chidlren. So, there is no question of eviction., it belongs to her too. Maybe the father wished that it belonged to all family members and that is why he did not transfer it in son's name. After all, the land is in fathers name even though the house was done by son. Its the land value that matters most. Son should realize and give a share to his sisters peacefully. My FIL said he will talk to him on this next week.
     
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    Yes legally...because the son was stupid enough to trust his money to his father.Because the son wanted to build a home where he could live with his parents.

    Morally father had no right to leave no will or want the house for everyone when he had let the son invest his hard earned money on the land.

    As for the sister...she doesn't look any less of an opportunist.
    Why the precondition to remodel if the intention is to care for mother.why can't she just live in the house as a guest without any remodeling?

    Even she has no right to make permanent changes to the property without permission from other heirs.
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    I hope this is a lesson for people.
    Never invest money in joint property. It never does any good. Neither for them...nor for the family.
    If you do invest in joint property ,write it off as a loss and don't expect anything for it.
    If you want to give your parents security of a home, buy the best you can and keep it n your name.Let your parents enjoy it in their life time .
    Property bought on your name is still security for your parents.
    Property bought in parents name is head ache for you.
     
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    @SeekingMind : Please read my posts entirely - I am myself saying that as per law not only the house, everything that the father owned as per law will be divided into 4 parts. That is as per Hindu Succession Act. Please check it online.

    But this division is of 1/4 of the property not one floor of it. And the daughter should introspect as to why she wants to stay in 1 floor. She should go to court, sell off all the assets and then divide it into 4 coz I doubt that the land can be divided into 4 useful parts. I have a sneaky feeling that the division of assets is in lieu of the services rendered to the parents. It is legal - but not ethical. And why has the son in law done a favor by letting his wife take care of her parents? Nobody is supposed to be grateful to the DIL for letting the DS take care of ILs. Thats her job. When we are talking of the law let us stick to the law. Please check Maintenance and Welfare of Parents and Senior Citizens Act, 2007 where daughters are also liable to take care of their parents physically and financially. And why not talk of the other daughter? Why is she not in the picture - law says she is.

    When talking of Social conventions, thats a different ballgame altogether. Please separate the legal, conventional and moralistic grounds from each other and do not try to justify one the grounds of the other. And please read all the responses carefully. Everybody in unison is saying that the daughter is entitled to a quarter of the father's estate as per law. Just dont use the law to justify the sister's demands on moralistic grounds as there are none in my view. And she is a cousin SIL to you. Just take a chill pill and let her take her own decisions and fight her own battles. Nobody comes out unscathed of this mess.
     
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    @yellowmango : :thumbup: you nailed it.
     

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